Posted By John Johnston I have applied for jobs all over the place via email, snail mail, by phone and by my god given right to ask face to face. Still no joy! I have tried to write very professional covering letters and CV's, with huge help from this forum I must add, but so far only one interview. So here it is in plain old english facts: NO, I do not have any practical experience in health and safety. NO, I do not have a diploma or degree, only my first stepping stone - NEBOSH certificate. NO, I have not managed to achieve much by way of health and safety as I have not been given the chance. BUT....... YES, I am passionate about health and safety. YES, I can change the world and make it a safer place to work. YES, I want to learn from more experienced professionals. YES, I want to gain more, much more qualifications. YES, YOU are making a mistake not to even give me an interview. I will guarantee excellent results in my work, all I need is the "foot in the door". I am looking for work in Scotland and will gladly send my CV on to any employer who requests via this email: john_johnston@blueyonder.co.uk or in this forum post. I thank you for your time reading this and even better still, giving me a chance! Kind regards, John

Posted By Peter Lee I hate to sound despondent but I belive you will find difficulty gaining full time Health and Safety work with the NEBOSH Certificate, how about self funding an accredited Diploma, there are many others than NEBOSH check the membership information to the left of this page. Good Luck mate, been there done that.

Posted By John Johnston I thank you all for the time you have given to my post. Robert, if I was a production manager or the likes with the NEBOSH certificate then yes, I would say I was "competent". If I was to be employed as a trainee or a health and safety officer reporting directly to a supervisor, then yes, I would say I was "competent". Sadly, I see your point for most positions advertised, my lack of experience is probably my competency downfall. Although, I do consider myself "competent" in respect of knowing my limitations. I know my knowledge is limited to the NEBOSH certificate, therefore I would like to think I know when to ask for help. I have given my services on a voluntary basis recently, but only on a completely informal basis. A local primary school allowed me to review their health and safety strategies. This gave me good insight into practical health and safety and also allowed me to make good suggestions for improvements, which were actually taken up by the head teacher. Also, Robert and Peter, I am desperate to throw myself at the Diploma (or equivalent), but as I am unemployed, this is way out of my reach for self funding. The second I gain employment, the forms sitting on my desk to enrol at college for Dip part 1 will be signed and posted. Patrick, this position, if it's the same one, is within commuting distance to London. I have seen many positions and have applied for many positions for trainee and equivalent, even those ones require at least 2 years experience. I will not give up however, something will turn up and I may even look into some consultancy work for smaller businesses as Robert has suggested. Once again, thank you for your replies. This forum post was certainly worth a try, I've tried everything else! Sorry it's a bit long winded.

Posted By John Johnston Been there Mike, all I can get is travel expenses to the college, no more no less. Don't worry, I'll keep at it, my time will come.

Posted By Bryan Weatherill On the question of funding NEBOSH courses, most colleges have 'Access Funds' these pay for all costs, except exam fees, and are available to persons so that they can attend courses that they cannot for some reason or another afford. I would talk to your local provider and ask them how these funds can be tapped, so that the higher qualifications that are so necessary for competence in the field of h & s can be gained. If you want to get into the field then track the funds down. We have had students go through this system at our college. I should say that we are in North Devon. Good luck Bryan

Posted By John Johnston Firstly, thank you very much Patrick for taking time to find this advertised job, and yes it looks just perfect for me and my situation, but, I really can't relocate to Shropshire from Scotland. I wish this job was closer to home. Secondly, thank you very much Bryan. Yes there are funds under certain circumstances, none of which fit me at present. I have been on the phone all morning to local authorities, local colleges and universities. Still the only cash they come up with is travel expenses. Thirdly, thank you very much Robert. That's a lot of thank you's! I called Taylor Bourne who was very helpful indeed. Caledonian University offer the Diploma over 2 years on day release at just over £3,000. This course can be paid up by installments each year, so £1,500 approx per year. With a little help from my family and possibly a part-time job, I can start University at the end of this year! My situation does not allow me to take any old part-time job though, which does not help my situation. Anyway, today is a good day, I thank you all sincerely for all the help, advice and encouragement. Woohoooooo, Uni here I come!

Posted By Robert Paterson That's great John. If you are going to Caley give my regards to Taylor. The course is has quite a good structure and the lecturers have had experience in industry so it is really training from the horse's mouth so to speak. I to was in the same situation as yourself and paid for the course in installments.I met a guy at the course who was looking for some assistance at his place of work and I went there as a consultant. Did that for the rest of the course and also for further 6 months after that. The experience I gained has helped me to get my present position as a H&S Manager. So be encouraged at what you have achieved so far and what you are about to achieve. Good luck on the course and look forward to your graduation. Kind Regards Robert Paterson MIOSH

Posted By John Johnston Thank you Ian for that, but sadly Aberdeenshire is too far away for me. I'm not being picky at all, but it is approx 200 miles from where I live, not within commuting distance. Robert, Taylor did in fact recognise your name and remembered you well, he also sends his regards to you. He has never used the IOSH forums before but I have a feeling he may pop in sometime in the future. Once again, thanks all. Today I have more of a plan for my future, which incidentally will fall into place after my marriage in July.

Posted By Kelvin George John. Can you drive a car?? If you can then get yourself a taxi licence and do as I have done and become a taxi driver. Firstly it will gain you money. Secondly you can do it when it suits you. Thirdly when you sucessfully complete your Education Studies you will be going to employers as an Employed person not as an ex student. Best of luck Kelvin

Posted By james mackie I have read with interest some of the comments on this subject. It is clear to me that some individuals are basing competence on academic qualifications. This is clearly nonesense. Competence is based on training, knowledge and experience. I work with some Health and Safety 'professionals' who are qualified up to the back teeth but can not address a simple man-management issue or deal with people face to face. They are in my eyes, not competent. Simply having a qualification does NOT mean you are competent.