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#1 Posted : 08 January 2005 10:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ani Ford
Hello,
I just discovered this forum and wondered if anyone out there could give me some careers advise.
I have a BSc(Hons)-Biology & environmental studies and MSc Molecular Parasitology, for reasons that anyone with science qualifications will understand I have taken a job as a Health & Safety administrator, needed to work & first job applied for outside science. I am interested in H&S but also environmental and the occupational health side.
I have looked at all the different qualifications available but cant see my way through the minefield at the moment, can anyone suggest a career path/job hunting strategy that would help me gain a more autonomous, responsible position without the process costing me a fortune, please? Oh and can anyone tell me if they know whether my age will have an affect -mature student- now 43 yrs old!
PS I already have student debts to pay off.
Thanks,
Ani
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#2 Posted : 12 January 2005 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bev
Hi Ani,

You are on the first step of the ladder by landing a health and safety job - well done! In this business, experience goes a long way so you have made a good start.

The NEBOSH General Cert is usually a minimum requirement for any position. Have a look at your local college websites as local colleges are a lot cheaper than specialist training companies. I did my NEBOSH cert at a local college for £500 (plus the exam fee). I came away with a distinction, so I don't think you need worry that the standard is lower just because it's cheaper! Training companies typically charge £2000 to £3000 for the same course.

Also, have you considered IOSH Environmental Management, as you are interested in this area? This is a week long course, so if you couldn't get your current employer to pay for it, and you could rustle up the money, at least it would be feasible to do in a week's holiday.

Could you get your current company to put you through the general cert? Argue that it would make you more effective in your current job!

Hope this helps and best of luck!
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#3 Posted : 12 January 2005 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bev
Ani

PS - regarding your age. I would think that you are the optimum age for this profession (though people not around your age are sure to disagree with this!). You are old enough to be pretty mature and sensible, but with still a lot of working years left! I'm slightly younger than you, and have not experienced any problems at all. Most of the health and safety people I know are between 35 and 55 - and they are all in work, with fairly recent appointments, so age wasn't an issue for this age range at all.

Best wishes.
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#4 Posted : 12 January 2005 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones
Ani,

Agree with Bev about age, I'm fifty-something (oh all right then - 56), took my General Cert last year, self funded through a local college at just under £600, passed and start a new job on Monday which is H & S based and which required General Cert as a minimum.

I hope to look at an environmetal qualification next, as well as probably going down the VQ4 route in H & S.

You're never too old to learn, and age (maturity) does seem to have a positive effect when dealing with recaltricant managers who begrudge every penny spent on something too many of them see as "not adding value" to the company.

Good luck in your future studies and career path.

Regards

David

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#5 Posted : 12 January 2005 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Paterson
Hi Ani

I would like to congratulate you on getting a Health and Safety position without any H&S qualifications.

There are many people who have posted on this forum who have the necessary qualifications and can not even get an interview - I speak from experience here, although I am now in a Health and Safety position, but it took nearly two years to get a full time position.

I wonder what the criteria was for the position you now occupy. I disagree with Bev in relation to the age factor and would like to offer that 'ageism' is rife in the industrial world as many people will testify. There may be those that might disagree but again this was how I felt during my time looking for work.

I am sometimes disappointed that companies do not fully understand what they might put in job adverts and end up employing someone who is not qualified and then the person is looking around for the qualifications.

Sorry for taking over the thread but I feel that the qualifications should be gained before applying for H&S positions as most of us in the profession have done. I am in the middle of the age range quoted by Bev.

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Robert Paterson
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#6 Posted : 12 January 2005 14:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bev
Continuing from my earlier posting, I agree that ageism is rife. However, it does depend on the type of industry you are going into. If the company is full of young graduates, they are more likely to want a young graduate and anyone over about 28 probably won't get a look in (regardless of what type of work you're looking for). I'm just going from personal experience and that of fellow health and safety practitioners that I personally know. I'm always sorry when I read the many threads where people are trying desperately to get into the profession and my admiration goes out to those who have the stamina to persevere.

With any job, I think people have preconceptions about the sort of person they are looking for, and a large part of whether or not you fit the bill must be dependant on luck. Having said that, in many jobs you are considered "over the hill" once you've hit 40 - but I really don't think health and safety is like that. I know of a lady who sent out countless CVs and job applications and didn't even get an interview (she was 58 at the time). She then changed her approach and left her date of birth off her CV. Instead she sent a photo with her CV, it was a true likeness of her and it was a recent photo. About three applications later she got an interview and a job. When they eventually found out how old she was, they admitted to her that they wouldn't have interviewed her had they known! Just an indication of what some people's preconceptions are! Hopefully not all employers are the same!







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#7 Posted : 22 January 2005 20:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ani Ford
Thank you Bev and David for your positive answers and support.
I will continue to look into ways of training and gaining experience in H&S.
Apologies for the late posting - pc was down!
Ani
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