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#1 Posted : 01 May 2001 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie Price-Davies
I am about to commence a research paper for my M Phil. The research will consider the QUALATIVE effects on loss of Crown Immunity in the NHS.
I would be interested in the views of anyone who could or would like to contribute on the subject, in particular from those in the Healthcare Specialist Group.
Thanks in advance.
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#2 Posted : 04 May 2001 10:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Barrie.

My colleagues and I have been involved in dealing with NHS hospitals who had 'just' entered the real world in respect of Health and Safety.

If you provide me with your contact details, I will ask someone to contact you to discuss.

Stuart Nagle
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#3 Posted : 10 May 2001 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie Price-Davies
Stuart
Thanks for response, will be pleased to hear from you. I can be contacted on 01895 279829, normal hours, ( are there such things)
kind regards
Barrie
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#4 Posted : 11 May 2001 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie Newall
As a long-time ex-employee of the NHS, and more recently involved in H & S training for NHS staff, my perception is that Crown immunity has partly contributed to the generally weak safety culture. Managers knew that they were immune from prosection and could ignore advice from Environmental Health Officers and safety inspectors. We had the ridiculous situation wherebye a hospital kitchen could be so unhygienic that if it were in a commercial catering establishment it would have been closed down by Environmental Health, but because it was a hospital catering facility only advice on improvements could be given. Removal of Crown immunity was strongly resisted by most MPs and it took the deaths of a large number of elderly patients (one estimate is that as many as 280 patients may have died from Salmonella poisoning) to change the law. Crown immunity was removed from NHS catering in 1986.
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#5 Posted : 17 May 2001 21:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rachelle Smith
Fabulous subject area for research. I would have thought that a key person you should be approaching is the famous Stuart Emslie, Quality Mgr or some such title (NHS) he gave a comprehensive presentation at the recent IOSH organised Bournemouth conference. His presentation there was superb, working towards Turnbull Rec's implementation across whole business. Sure IOSH would fwd info to him on yr behalf. For those who have family members working for this huge employer, we have long been waiting for the veil to drop. Lets hope they get their act together and Stuart's hard work translates to the sharp end and makes our family members happy, healthy and wanting to actually go to work rather than throw sickies.

Best of luck.
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