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#1 Posted : 16 November 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By artisdeeian Hi everyone. What are your views on having redios in the factory (240v) may I add. I am aware of other hazardous implications these may have etc. But just a thought into how many have or are allowing these to be accepted. Regrds Ian.
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#2 Posted : 16 November 2006 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh Everywhere I have ever worked has loads of 240v kit - monitors, PCs, fans etc. Get the radio PAT tested and where's the problem? So long as it is safe to use 240v kit in the area then surely it's OK to have a radio. (Don't allow yourself to get in the situation -"We can't have a radio - the health & safety won't let us")
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#3 Posted : 16 November 2006 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian D. We allow radios on site and have added them to out PAT schedule. Just watch the volume, in one area we have had to marked the volume dial, because the radio volume was taking us above the 1st action level We have had no other problems with the use of radios. Regards Ian
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#4 Posted : 16 November 2006 17:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Radios are generally OK, except that they tend to get turned up to overcome workplace noise levels. Which might be less than 80 dBa but with the radio can add up to 90. last year I worked at a "white van" plant. The heavy gang (tattoos, piercings and crew cuts) were mating engines with front axles to the sound of classical music "with muscle" : Beethoven's fifth, Mussorgsky's Night on a bare mountain, Hall of the mountain kings and so on. "Ram Dam". Great rhythms, which they worked to. I bought the CD for the car Actually it is a bit tricky. Do you measure just the work related noise levels, this or that machine running, or do you include noise sources which employees voluntarily add ? I think I would go with the total. And attack the source. But then there are so many sources of noise in a factory. Not just the machines but also the air conditioning, passing fork lifts, people talking, phones ringing, foreman sobbing, etc. I hate questions on noise. Merv
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2006 18:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I've only banned them as part of rules and a code of practice for contractors working in areas occupied by others to whom the noise would be a nuisance (eg schools, care homes, offices). If employees in an appropriate workplace want them where there would be no noise nuisance or associated H&S issue, I think they should be accepted in the interest of good working relations, etc.
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2006 18:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor - subject to PAT - of course!
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#7 Posted : 16 November 2006 18:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH The following link to an artical from NORWICH UNION Risk Service Safe to listen to MP 3 Players at work http://www.nurs.co.uk/ne...367271321269473240_1.htm
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2006 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd The more usual problem is that different people want different stations ! However, if the radio is not a personal one, and is hearable by more than one person, you may want to consider that you have to purchase a "licence" to use it. http://www.prs.co.uk/workplace/
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#9 Posted : 16 November 2006 18:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Ian, Agree with others that banning radios on H&S is not usually necessary in most workplaces subject to "approval and checking before use". However, some common problems with radios that need managing (from my experience). if more than one; then we always insisted that all tuned to the same channel, rota slots for favourite choices if these differ. Otherwise the cacophony of noise is awful. volume controls. blown speakers are common due to constant full volume. might not be able to hear the distortion but you will feel it at the end of a day. one persons music is another persons stress position and location; made specific locations for radios and speakers to be placed, avoids the speaker on the work bench syndrome (cos I cant hear it otherwise) piped or central system; you can fall foul of the copyright and broadcast laws without trying to hard in this area, check before doing it. emergencies; can employee still hear the alarms and other signals if the radios are playing. customer perception; radios heard playing in the background during telephone calls? radios playing in areas where customers are present?
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2006 21:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls Just a quick thought. Abuse the privilege and you loose it! As our workforce found out to their cost early last year. Everyone wanted a radio on the workshop floor. Ok no problem, safety checked right next step what radio station shall we have. Radio 1 and 2 and GWR and about 10 others at the same time. Each one wishing to be heard above the rest, noise levels exceeded 90dBA without any machinery running. So it stopped, we moved into our new factory NO RADIO NO HOW. Just the ECHO when someone drops a spanner.
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#11 Posted : 17 November 2006 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Yep you have to take into account of all noise exposure in the work place, including Radio and possible tannoys etc
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#12 Posted : 17 November 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs An obscure thing to take into account is liability... Yes, I saw the call to do PAT, but should the radio still be a source of a fire, your insurance company *could* seek damages from the owner of the equipment. If you think that is unlikely, I attended a court case where an insurance company was seeking damages from an employee's house insurance for a fire caused by the employee discarding a cigarette at work. I forget ratio's but they succeeded. So maybe the radios should be bought by the business?
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#13 Posted : 17 November 2006 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I'm surprised only one mention above of the need for a broadcasting license. Not sure what the fine is these days but probably more than a fine for not risk assessing noise etc. I worked at a factory some years ago where the license was paid for but there was a restriction on the broadcasting time, just a few hours each day/night. Best to have a company radio played over the tannoy with agreement on station? If individual radios are in use then who pays the license fee and who is responsibility for PAT and repairs etc.?
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#14 Posted : 17 November 2006 11:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Crim I see what you are saying and do take note of it and without sounding like the usual rant of H&S that sometimes happens on here, but.. As a general rule radio's are usually set at a volume level above the working noise in any work enviornment. Therefore this will contribute to the noise exposure to an employee. On the main subject matter. Why not have a battery powered radio as it would eliminate the need for being mains powered and a fire and electrical risk. If you can get away with a battery radio that is.
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#15 Posted : 17 November 2006 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier Are radios double insulated? They are not usually earthed. In this case, is a PAT test needed or of any use? Presuming it is of a recognised design, unmodified and in good working order surely an initial check of plug, fuse and cable etc. would be enough. Andy
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#16 Posted : 17 November 2006 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By artisdeeian Hi guys. Sorry for not getting back, (been busy, truth known listening to 'Queen'---Group that is. Brilliant Radio GaGa believe it or not.) No on a serious note; Come on Ian it is Friday after all. No guys all that I was thinking about was using 110v on all work equipment (I know this is not work equipment--Yet) but just a thought into Electric shock from 240v as aposed to 110v. this could happen even after PAT tested and the results would be more serious. Agree or not? your thoughts folks. P.S. I like music a lot.
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#17 Posted : 17 November 2006 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Tabs, are you able to supply details of the court case please? This could be very persuasive if used in the correct way. Thanks.
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#18 Posted : 17 November 2006 17:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I'm not happy about allowing mp3 players. They tend to cut the user off from the real world and they may not hear the noises they NEED to hear. (alarms, fork lift trucks, foremen sobbing etc) At least you can exercise some control over radios. Merv
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#19 Posted : 17 November 2006 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Merv is quite right (again, the bugger) MP3's or any kind of in ear device is the same as over protecting with hearing protection. Ie. have ear defenders that are too good, yes it can happen !!! Over protect and it can cause you more problems!!! Just else something to think of
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#20 Posted : 17 November 2006 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd The cost of a performing licence to play copyright music is on: http://www.prs.co.uk/Doc...%20-%20Web%20Version.pdf As for the earpieces and mp3 players....have you bothered to assess the damage caused to hearing by protracted use of these ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4162028.stm Not your problem ? I think so. Not to mention being unable to hear warnings.
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