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Posted By bill strachan1
What is going on here?
I was rather enjoying this thread
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Posted By NJS
my only explanation is that somebody had a bad week last week and it just keeps getting worse.
I for one enjoyed the banter and find it a little worrying that a person can take a joke and light hearted debate so much to heart. that sort of attitude just typifies peoples perception of H&S professionals as serious jobs worths.
relax, chill and take the thread as it was intended.
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Posted By M Bastone
While I was reading this thread a young lady just popped into the office. I explained the subject under discussion and she commented that she once had a nasty accident involving high heels and dangly earrings, but didn't elaborate. sounded painful though ;-)
What a great subject to start the week with! thanks.
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Posted By Martin CMIOSH
For the record I agree with Tabs. I thought ClaireL's comments were inappropriate for the Forum, and as Tabs pointed out if similar comments were made with the gender reversed they would - most likely - have been removed by the moderators.
You can put this down to another safety practitioner having a bad day if you wish...
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Posted By mark limon
How typical of this site,there seems to be always somebody sat poised waiting to critisize,nitpick or find offence where none is meant.There are far more serious issues today to get offended by
I for one will defend a 5ft 10" slim blonde womens right to wear high heels with my life(especially in a pencil skirt)
Now what was I talking about,minds drifting, :-)
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Posted By bill strachan1
Martin CMIOSH,
You are absolutely right!!!
How insensitive of these ladies to have a bit of a laugh.
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Posted By ClaireL
Men!!!
.....that is a joke by the way!
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Posted By TBC
I like your attitude Claire!
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Posted By Bernie Woods
What a great thread, some good humour and some serious points as well
Claire you sound like my kind of girl (in a non-sexist way of course!), gents, women have had to endure (and still do) far worse than that for years, a little light hearted banter in both directions can do wonders for morale and particularly on a professional website where I'd like to think we're all a little above getting prissy.
On a serious note, one part of my business tried to introduce a footwear policy for office staff and let me assure you it is an absolute minefield. Unless you are very prescriptive in what employees are allowed wear you can seriously tie yourself in knots (as an aside, if you ban certain footwear on the grounds of RA does that then open up issues of PPE regs for the footwear you allow?).
My choice here is to try a behavioural approach. If you believe someone is wearing something which may affect their H&S and it's not covered by specific workplace rules, approach them, discuss it with them, see if there are alternatives. May save a lot of time effort and IR issues.
B
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
As fun as this "battle of the sexes" banter is, can we please keep the thread within the scope of the discussion, or the thread risks being locked under AUG 1.
For those of you joining late, the context is the OSH implications of wearing high heels in an office environment (I think, but I lost the will to moderate about half way through.)
Jon
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Posted By Jim Walker
Fun tho' this all is.
I really do see where Tabs is coming from.
I've made light hearted cracks about women on this forum and have been howled down by those who did not appreciate my "humour".
Cake & eat it, if you ask me.
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Posted By Phil Errup
Jim, you're just adding fuel to the fire mate...
Guaranteed to get this otherwise innocent thread pulled.
As it's a serious topic, cant the mods just remove the posts they dont like and allow the thread to continue. It's obviously an important subject going by the number of serious replies.
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Posted By Amandac
Thought I would put my pennyworth in.
In all the places I have worked we have ADVISED the employee to wear suitable footwear for the environment and consult the risk assessment when moving into another area.
Purhaps that doesn't answer the question, however should an employee, (male or female) have an accident wearing 'heels' or inapprorpiate footwear this will come out in the accident investigation and they will have to take responsibility for it.
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Posted By Pete Longworth
OK all joking aside that surely is the whole point. Any decision on the suitability of footwear or any other apparel for that matter, must be risk assessment based. It really is pointless discussing the suitability of high heels without first knowing the exact conditions under which they are being worn.
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Posted By TBC
Type of footwear and the condition of the footwear is just one of the things I would look at following an accident be it in an office or out on a site.
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Posted By BB
I didn't feel like doing any work today either.
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Posted By Andrew Meiklejohn
High heel shoes cause forefoot compression injuries such as neuroma. Wearing high heels also concentrates abnormal forces on the ankle and rear foot resulting in increased wear and tear.
In addition to long-recognized foot problems, they can affect the body’s center of gravity and change it’s alignment, negatively affecting posture, back support and joint pressure.
High heeled shoes have recently been found to cause knee joint stress and are likely to contribute to knee osteoarthritis (Kerrigan, 2003). Studies found that heels as short as 2-inches increased knee strain by 23 percent compared to walking barefoot.
They can also increase the incidence of musculoskeletal disorders. By altering the position of the heel in relation to the ball of the foot. This, in turn, results in an alteration to the posture in order to maintain balance. This alteration promotes excessive use of the muscles in the lower back. It should be noted that this does not just occur whilst standing and walking but also in the seated position as the heel cannot be placed in the correct position to allow proper back support from chairs.
Moreover, wearing high heels also causes an alteration to a persons gait, and reduces the amount of traction available, thereby increasing the chance of slips trips and falls. This is in addition, to the reduction in traction caued by the lack contact.
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Posted By Pete48
Oh goodness me, you dont think the TUC has been eavesdropping on this thread do you?
No, not really, but they did publish this very interesting campaign last Thursday. An illuminating read for those who see this as northing more than a bit of innocuous fun.
If it is wrong to expect workers to wear such fashion at the behest of the employer, it surely must also be wrong for an employer to allow it in many circumstances?
http://www.tuc.org.uk/newsroom/tuc-15188-f0.cfm
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Posted By TBC
Thanks for that Andrew - mine are going straight in the bin :-0
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Posted By MickN
Sorry for prolonging the agony here but surely we have no right to dicate what people wear and it's also a little close to "conkers bonkers" elf n safety.
There is simply no good reason for banning high heels. There's no evidence difinitively linking increased rates of injury to the wearing of high heels.
As an aside, I once had an American argue that his steel toe-ed "cowboy" boots were perfectly acceptable. It didn't bother him that he was wearing heels, not that I pointed it out.
As in a construction site we have just cause for asking all personnel to wear the correct PPE, outside of that or other simiilar circumstances it's discrimination.
Mick
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Posted By Wendi Gibson
I wore high heels for over 20 years, usually the 4-5 inch variety of stiletto. Whilst I was able to do most things in them and never fell off them, I developed a problem with my heels and have damaged my back (though this may not be directly the result of wearing high heels it certainly aggravated the condition).
Whilst I would not dream of telling anyone what to wear in their private lives, I have asked the ladies who work in the office to wear lower heels and more appropriate shoes at work. One or two have kept their work shoes in their bottom drawer and change when they arrive at work and back to high heels when they leave.
And on the shop floor the rule is safety boots/shoes only.
And for the record, sexism as with any -ism should be a 2 way street.
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Posted By Glen Coe
God life is too short for this!!! I wish I could bang a couple of your heads together.
Rule 1 - H&S people have thick skin - otherwise you would not consider the job - so stop feigning offence.
Rule 2 - Banter keeps us sane !
Rule 3 - H&S flies in the face of human evolution and nature has much more efficient methods, so stop trying to proceduralise everything in infinite detail. Arrgggh :0)
Rule 4 - Do not even think about it, unless you can enforce it.
Finally girls, keep it coming you clearly have some of the boys worried..... Good Work !
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