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#1 Posted : 11 September 2008 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By maysie
Can anybody shed any light on what is the actually used - LTI Rate or AFR - the two seem to be very similar but I can see LTI appearing more often than AFR these days.....
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#2 Posted : 11 September 2008 13:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
AFR includes anything that happens by accident and did or could have caused harm to one or more persons.

The LTI rate covers only accidents which result in one or more persons losing work time. One or more full working days for me.

LTI rate is a component of the AFR which could also cover hospital treatment and first aid treatment, without significant loss of time.

A lot of (I won't say "most) companies serious about HSE will follow all of these rates and trends.

Merv
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#3 Posted : 11 September 2008 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth
It all depends on what you are trying to measure. If your organisation experiences a lot of minor incidents but very rarely has any lost time incidents then LTIR would be pretty meaningless.
As Merv says one is a component of the other and both are only used for comparison purposes. The problem with either is that they can become skewed quite badly if the data sources aren't roughly comparable. For instance, both are a measure of incidents against time worked. If an area has only a very low number of employees then 1 incident gives an inordinately high frequency rate and could give a false picture.
They are designed to level out the playing field so to speak, but the paradox is that unless the areas being compared are roughly similar then you will always get that type of distortion.
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#4 Posted : 11 September 2008 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Pete, right. There are all sorts of problems with simple statistics which is particularly why I used the word "trends". Somewhat more useful, particularly if you a a fair sized population (a few hundred say ?

On a Europe wide basis, LTI rates are around 5% of the workforce per year (1 in 20 employees) So, statistically each employee can go for 20 years without a serious injury.

Which is why "not getting hurt" is not a always good motivator.

Merv
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#5 Posted : 11 September 2008 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By maysie
Thanks for your help thus far it's making a bit more sense - how would I go about the below?

How would I go about calculating the LTI Rate and the AFR - do I include near misses & dangerous occurences in the LTI rate?
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#6 Posted : 11 September 2008 17:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
No. As I said sort of in my first posting the AFR can/should include any accident which did or could have caused harm. The "could have" is the "near miss" but since it didn't then it hasen't caused and injury, nor lost tim.

Typically LTIs are a small proportion of your overall AFR.

You could have 100 near-miss incidents and maybe only 2, 3, or 5 Lost Time Injuries.

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