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#81 Posted : 06 December 2008 20:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Waldram
Well done Harry Hill - Ed was there as predicted, but your shark in the soapy bowl was MUCH better!
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#82 Posted : 06 December 2008 21:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
My faith in the Independent is restored.

Ruth, in my opinion a complaint from us is less than worthless. I hope that each time I do my job properly, it leaves a couple of positive views behind. Slowly but surely we'll get there by other people speaking on our behalf, eh? There's enough of us out here.

If we can't do that, we don't deserve anything else.

(But I agree, Harry Hill's TV burp was priceless.)
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#83 Posted : 06 December 2008 21:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Tracey
I was approached by the producers of this documentary as the director of a small health and safety consultancy and I asked my colleagues why us, maybe because we could be used to make our profession look as killjoys unrealistic and not in today's real world.

We declined because we suspected the producers would only show what they wanted and our message would not be what they wanted to hear or viewers would want to see and hear.

I guess my view is summed up in the following; As a young profession we are where we are,accountants are viewed as dull, would you attend their conferences?, Quantity Surveyors are perceived as failed accountants! architects do not live in the real world? engineers are non existent in the terms of excitement and I guess in the future bankers, share dealers and economists will come in for unprecedented criticism, but hey each of us has an objective and want to change the world we live in, looking back over 30 years in Industry have I influenced change in many organisations, yes it has been one step at a time, did I use PR television etc? no it was about being passionate and determined about what I wanted to achieve, sometimes I failed but that just made me more determined.

We do not need Channel 4 or any of the other parts of the media.

My simple view is,you should keep believing in what you wish to achieve and plug away at it, it's a journey that in all honesty many of us will never arrive at the destination, but we will have paved the way for our successors

Keep it simple,honest and enjoy.
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#84 Posted : 06 December 2008 23:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
To the moderators:

This thread - as some others do - run into 40, 50, 60 and this one to 80 odd replies.

May I suggest that we break the columns into maybe 30 responses then "part 2" etc.
Most people interested in the thread will have read some if not all of the responses.
But if the responses run on and on, a new viewer is going to repeat advice already given - because he will not read all 80 previous responders items.

Just my thoughts.

Dave
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#85 Posted : 07 December 2008 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Bullen
First of all I should say no disrespect to the people featured in the documentary, they obviously had reasons for taking part.

Many people have said on this particular post, the producers approached us but we thought better not to do it.

Perhaps there lies the problem, not thinking. Whatever possessed the people featured to agree? It was only ever going to be edited in way one and that was to show the profession in a bad light. Perhaps a bit of naivety with respect to the media came into play.

Either way the programme was, boring, uninteresting, unenlightening, badly put together and had a terrible voice over.

If we all, as a profession get upset over a piece of TV, that even a non professional can see was so obviously set up, then maybe we deserve the image.
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#86 Posted : 07 December 2008 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Al..
Andy Bullen: Well said. I was going to post along similar lines but you have already articulated my thoughts. It was light entertainment, nothing more. It certainly does not justify the amount of attention which it is receiving here.

Let's draw this to a close and be judged on what we ACTUALLY DO as health and safety professionals, not how we react to a piece of TV trivia.
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#87 Posted : 07 December 2008 10:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Cook
Personally, I'm very grateful to the HSE for previously enforcing compulsory retirement at 60.

The positives of the conker sponsorship were soon hidden under the well secured carpet eagle-eyed Ed insisted (like many often trivial, insignificant hazards) on bringing to the film crew's attention.

The HSE however should be pleased, of everyone featured it was their man who seemed the most balanced and imho, had the greatest the inter personal skills. (Joiners-shop visit)

Stay safe out there folks and next time your dodging a 5mph death or avoiding a nasty crush between 2 reversing cars in Sainsburys whilst stocking up on the mammoth quantities of kitchen towel every home needs consider: Does our common law DoC extend to boring people to death ?

Paul

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#88 Posted : 07 December 2008 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
In defense of Ed (and others)

I actually thought that this was the best programme we could get in today's climate.

Ed showed a few ideas/techniques we could all emulate at home (I actually do things like that !) (chain sawing is a bit different. Got it down this morning. Offed the branches then chopped from three at the top. Two years and it's firewood.


And he showed a typilcal group of employees being preached at. (knees well apart, arms folded etc) (maculine/defensive)We all get that. I try to get them with a few of the funny photos. he could have finished by asking how they would take their chairs back to the workplace.

But I have always found that 90% of ergonomic/Lifting and handling training is wasted because management/supervision do not attend.

The EHO lady, I would believe that she was given this job by her supervisor who reads the internet.? Scare of the week : nail glue !

I refuse to exagerate, to exercise my imagination, to be a pillock.

Simply, the best she could do. Buggered up the garage thingy though.

overall impression ? who would keep watching apart from us ? So that's 33 000

Ed Friend. I'm sure you are watching this thread. would you be kind enough to give us your impessions/slant on this ?

Merv
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#89 Posted : 07 December 2008 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By .e
Gave up reading the above. Does it all really matter? Next weeks documentary of 'I've turned my frontroom into the set of homer simpson' will soon take over the Homer Simpson appreciation society.

To be honest, I didn't watch the programme as in my field it's compulsory to have someone like me for many reasons as i'm sure with most of you, I need not go into.

Having worked in Security, I can recall programmes about meatheads and their attitude portrayed on TV documentaries; from personal experience some of the blokes have been the most softiest jelly babies ever worked with! their love hate tattoo's represented which colour opal fruits they prefered.

I'm sure the The F***ing Fulfords have said the same, every contestant on big brother, etc etc blah blah blah. Need I go on? 'Never let the facts get in the way of a good story'


I only saw the Harry Hill show, he was a legend.

One question, who was the dude who did the spilling water/knifes? Is he on here? Does he have his own website and do after dinner speaking?

Love to see him at the Brit awards, 'to the nominations to the safest band, goes to...'
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#90 Posted : 08 December 2008 07:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By max lines
what a refreshing change to read A.A.Gill,s review in yesterday,s Sunday Times Culture Supplement.If you missed it see timesonline.co.uk/aagill
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#91 Posted : 08 December 2008 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
The Times reference is not readily spotted; it is part of the article on 'Wallander'.

Paul
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#92 Posted : 08 December 2008 10:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
A A Gill's thoughts on the programme are found in the Culture section of the Sunday Times or about halfway down this web-page:

http://entertainment.tim...radio/article5293533.ece

I was fairly pleased to see that he too had seen through the obvious set-up and in no way wished the profession ill.
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#93 Posted : 08 December 2008 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
It was a far better balanced programme than I expected.

I think you are all taking yourselves far too seriously and some replies here just reinforce the stereotype.

If someone made a channel 4 programme about accountants what would you expect? A laugh or the truth - if it was the truth you'd switch off after 10 minutes. If subsequently Accountants got shirty about the misrepresentation you would jeer them alongside everyone else.

You just need to be aware the H&S does not excite people and we are a bit weird in that respect.



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#94 Posted : 08 December 2008 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Williams
In my office right now we have a team of Health and Safety Consultants, myself included, who are enjoying watching the fun police again.

We have conducted a risk assessment on the spillage of bodily fluids as currently we are all wetting ourselves at every comment Ed makes.

I for one think channel 4 should be congratulated on managing to find a man like Ed who is even funnier than Gareth Keenan from the Office talking about Health and Safety. I can only imagine the number of people they had to interview and sift to find the man they wanted

They even pulled a second classic out of the hat with the woman from the council. As far as we can tell from the program an Environmental Health Officer who has no idea on her powers as an inspector, is classic and her impression that the self employed are exempt from Health and Safety another classic.


Ash
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#95 Posted : 08 December 2008 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike morland
The few minutes that I watched did more for my insomnia that my doctor has done in years. Sadly I missed the end.

Mike
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#96 Posted : 08 December 2008 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Mike

I agree, eyelids were drooping - had to resort to Sudoku to keep awake.

Certainly not "entertainment", not very educational, essentially a waste of time in my view.

Colin
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#97 Posted : 08 December 2008 14:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic
Didn't watch this documentary until Friday. Like some of you I was invited to make contact with the producers with a view of appearing; glad i didn't, otherwise I may have been chasing round my kitchen looking for hazards. As for the manual handling tool box talk, I don't think I would have been that patient with someone laughing at me. Don't think there has been any harm done, no one has mentioned the programme to me. That said lets move on, I'm sure there will be many other things in the future to ruffle our feathers
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