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#1 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce I do some work for a youth organisation and provide our branch with safety support. One of the other adults asked me the other day if there was any reason why a teenage girl who is registered deaf can not go swimming as part of an organised group session for our Duke of Edinburgh award scheme. The girl normally wears an implant to allow her restricted hearing and can lip read. For swimming the implant would need to be removed. My reply was as along as there is adequate supervision, a member of staff assigned to her in the case of an emergency such as a fire alarm who would immediatley go to her and make sure she gets out safely, and that the life guards are aware there should be no problem. Our regional office says otherwise and that she should not swim. What are peoples thoughts?
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#2 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 I think your approach is perfectly sensible and they should be allowed to swim. Banning would fall into the same old trap that we get slated for regularly in the press
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#3 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Tanya Yes of course she can and whoever has said 'no' is crackers (sorry it is Friday afternoon) I get so fed up with H&S being used and as excuse to stop people doing things. We should use our skills to 'enable' people to get the most out of life while protecting them from the genuine risk or serious injury. Let this young lady join in and enjoy herself with her friends. Phil
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#4 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce strangley they where going to let her shoot and had taken the stance that removing the ear pieces would be fine - no ear defenders because shes deaf..... I did take the libity of pointing out this type of implant requires the wearer to have some very limited auditory range so she has tro have ear defenders to protect what is left or possibly left. Whys stop a girl who wants to do normal activities from doing them, surely encourage her. I dispair. Red wine tonight I think.
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#5 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally To be honest I wouldn't have thought you even needed special supervision for her. If the fire alarm goes off I would have thought she would notice everyone else leaving the pool and if not her friends would make sure that she went with them. Also agree about the shooting - she still needs ear defenders.
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#6 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By MartB What reason did the regional office give for not letting the teenager swim after advising them of the controls you have mentioned? Martb
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#7 Posted : 20 March 2009 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce They spluttered alot and said they would consider it......... we await the latest excuse As for really needing the control - if it means we can take her then its better than saying no outright I think
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#8 Posted : 21 March 2009 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Passmore I would have thought that the swimming pool would have a visual alarm (i.e.flashing lights)to compliment an audible alarm due to the fact that should an activation occur, many people could be swimming underwater or have their hearing impaired by wearing plugs to prevent ingress of water to the ear. I would check as to whether such an alarm is installed within the pool building. Apologies for going of topic slightly, but I had the same problem with a worker who was claimed he was partially deaf in one ear. He insisted on inserting only one plug in his 'good ear' with the other hanging down his shoulder. Without knowing the official condition of his partial deafness, I insisted he inserted both plugs until he could provide me with an official medical document on his condition or reasoning as to why both plugs could not be worn. Such information was not provided therefore I insisted he wore the plugs like the rest of his colleagues. I never take notice of a "self diagnosis"!
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#9 Posted : 23 March 2009 12:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce Luckily teh girl involved knows enough about her condition to want ear defenders anyway. I will check out with the pool about visual alarms as I hadnt considered this but it makes sense they would have a non audible system in place.
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#10 Posted : 23 March 2009 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft With systems in place to deal with emergencies then to let her learn what is both a healthy and a potentially life saving skill is eminently sensible. Good for you for sticking to your guns. H&S is about doing things with risks under control not about banning them Keep up the good work R
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#11 Posted : 23 March 2009 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wil I would have thought that the swimming pool would be legally bound to make reasonable adjustments to their systems to allow such swimmers.
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#12 Posted : 23 March 2009 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Greyman You may also like to consider the DDA regs and how there have to be 'reasonable' adjustments made to accommodate disabilities. Your R/A can mention all the above points for getting them out in case of an emergency. This is a similar case to one we have and we just have a plain simple R/A to cover the issues for this student and the extra arrangements made with the swimming pool. You can also use a 'buddy' system.
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#13 Posted : 23 March 2009 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tanya Boyce Richard - working with a cadet organisation that does higher risk activities is proving invaluable as I am fairly new to the HS scene and strongly believe safety should not stop anyone from doing things and infact should aid people. Having to work this belief into a situation which involves quite a few risks and vulnerable young people is developing many skill sets quite nicely! Seeing the girls reaction when we told her it would be possible to go was all the reward required and the spur needed to argue with regional office
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#14 Posted : 23 March 2009 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By JohnV Nice to see common sense prevailing on this. Picking up an early comment on deaf people sometimes not seeing the need to wear ear protection, I understand that even if the hearing is completely lost it is still possible to get tinnitus as a result of exposure to loud noises. I always try to explain this point (via an interpreter where necessary) if I come across the occasional deaf person who refuses to comply.
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#15 Posted : 23 March 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney Hi Tanya, You're right. H&S is about saying 'yes and' not 'no because'. I can see no reason to stop swimming. I would just check that she isn't more prone to ear infections and if so I believe you can get ear plugs for swimming if you do. As a teenager I expect she more than knows how to make sure her ears are dry etc before putting her implant back in. Have a good time at the events Lilian
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#16 Posted : 23 March 2009 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicola Carroll Tanya, your proposed control measures seem fine and in keeping with common sense and the girl's own sensibilities. As a matter of interest has anyone ever been asked about their hearing or eyesight when entering a sports centre or swimming pool? As a teen I was part of a Martial arts group which met in a huge sports complex, one of the group was totally deaf- no implants in those days, apart form one of the teachers occasionally reapeating the instructions of the Japanese tutor there was never a problem- we had a pre arranegd buddy system in case an alarm ewent off and agreed pre arranged rendevouz points. Nic
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#17 Posted : 23 March 2009 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Hazlewood Of course she should be allowed to swim! General communication with her friends in the pool is more likely to be a problem than dealing with an emergency. If she wears an implant, her friends may be used to her being able to hear them. They may need reminding to check that they have eye contact with her before talking. My daughter (8) wears an implant, and copes brilliantly in swimming lessons - she knows to watch the teacher, and her current teacher is great at supplementing his oral instructions with clear gestures. However, when we go swimming just for fun, she can get upset if her friends zoom off without letting her know what's going on. Lipreading is not easy, and often depends upon the context being clear and the speakers familiar.
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