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#1 Posted : 27 March 2009 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By SBH Someone told me that a smoking shelter albeit correct in its construction should be at least three feet from the workplace and should not be attached to it. I have searched high and low for this legislation but cannot find it anywhere, smoking regs and ADB ETC, has anyone else seen this? I under stand the passive smoke principles and the need to locate away from entrances etc. SBH
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#2 Posted : 27 March 2009 11:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel Sounds like an urban myth to me but I stand to be corrected. However, this is one of my major irritations. Regardless of smoking shelters or not I am sick of leaving a building and walking into a haze of cigarette fumes from those standing puffing away at the entrances. And don't even get me started on the litter problem...and yes I'm an ex-smoker - the worst kind!
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#3 Posted : 27 March 2009 11:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Yossarian I have heard that some LA's use a distance of 1m from other structures as a figure to determine whether a structure is "substantially enclosed" or not. This arose from situations where a compliant smoking shelter was erected and then at a later date an unattached wind break was added around the structure for the comfort of users. I do not however know on what authority they use the figure though.
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#4 Posted : 27 March 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Yossarian In addition, I don't think that actually answers your question either. Sorry.
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#5 Posted : 27 March 2009 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Some / most / all (?) LA's are using other definitions from other legislation and guidance to supplement what is in my opinion the worst drafted legislation in modern history. Imagine three walls of a building forming a convenient sized "U" space two storeys high ... add a wooden roof on a free-standing frame at 7 feet high, just the right size to fit into said "U" shaped space. Now, is the wooden frame a separate premises without walls, or does the building share walls with it and enclose said framework on three sides? Some LA's are using the separation of 1m (or other dimension) as defining separation of premises and therefore shared walls, it is a figure borrowed from elsewhere. It does not appear in the Smoking legislation - nor does a good enough definition of premises. Elsewhere, premises has been shown to mean some very strange places. Until a Court applies such a definition, we are all subject to the usual negotiations with LA's ... some are very helpful, others are not. I for one, don't want to be the test case :-)
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#6 Posted : 27 March 2009 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jasson I remember no requirement for the shelter to be a certain distance from the building, for instance you could attach a canopy to the wall of the building to provide shelter for smokers and it would not be more than 49% enclosed. The smoking legislation as I remember only covers smoking inside so if someone smoking outside causing smoke to enter the building, they are not in breach. Of course if a lot of cigarette smoke is entering an office as a result of positioning of the shelter, It kind of defeats the purpose of the legislation in the first place. And although not in breach of smoking legislation we still have a duty of care to our employees.
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#7 Posted : 30 March 2009 08:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M Not so much an urban myth but could be part of your insurance requirements? I would check the policy as there may be a clause there stating the distance.
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#8 Posted : 30 March 2009 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67. Hi, The guidance to the regulations (at least here in Scotland.. I assume the same applies in England/wales), clearly indicates that smoking areas outside should be such that second hand smoke does not re-enter the building.. e.g. should not be directly under windows etc. Cheers
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#9 Posted : 30 March 2009 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Declaration of self-interest : I am a pipe smoker. (but thinking about electric cigarettes) No legal requirement to provide shelters. Don't bother. Designate 2-metre area around all doors and 1 metre from other openings, such as windows, as no smoking. "Smoke breaks" taken in addition to normal tea/coffee/lunch breaks should be considered as "outside of working hours" and made up for at the end of the day. So there. Merv
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