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#1 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter_1961
I am having an absolute nightmare, I am trying to put in a tender and I am stuck on the CDM section, can anyone help
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#2 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Mac
Elaborate Peter
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#3 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By mor raphael
Hi Peter

What is it you need?
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#4 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter_1961

This is the question being posed, it is way over the top considering the work we are tendering for, I have searched all the right sites, I just need a copy of one that someone has done so I can adapt it for our work.

Thanks for replying.



In order to demonstrate an understanding of the CDM 2007 regs please provide your procedures / arrangements for practical implementation of the duties applicable to your company.

Please provide your procedure for complying with the appropriate cdm 2007 duty holder role. Procedures are required that show how the company complies in practice with the relevant duty holder role(s) under the cdm regulations 2007 ie who does what, when and how. You may show this in various forms eg an expanded flow chart, a table of legal duties and the actions individuals will take to comply with the duties or as a procedure that shows the actions to be taken by individuals throughout the various stages of the project etc
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#5 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Southerner
Seems a perfectly reasonable question if you are tendering for a construction project......it worrying that a company working in the construction industry cant asnwer those types of questions.

What is it your company offers.
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#6 Posted : 12 May 2009 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter_1961
We rewire flats and houses
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#7 Posted : 12 May 2009 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Fraser

Peter

You should get a copy of the ACOP for the CDM Regs and refer to the part when you are acting as principal contractor.

Review what the ACOP says what you should have in place as P.C, Identifying any gaps, then put in place procedures / risk assessment / policy etc to fill those gaps. i.e the development of a health and safety management system based on HSG 65 or ISO 18001.

Once this is in place, you will be able to answer these type of cdm questions competently.

Perhaps this could also be a useful exercise to assess the suitability of your system together with responding to CDM Questions.

Once you have a system in place, these sort of questions become less daunting when you have to answer them.

I am frequently involved in this process, and it is helpful if you have a SMS in place, particularly when responding to tender enquiries.

Good Luck

John
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#8 Posted : 12 May 2009 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Support previous postings but would add that even if not principal contractor you will find CDM2007 places duties on contractors and also on what the ACOP calls "everybody". See page 5 and 6 of ACOP. We are consultants specialising in CDM and construction safety and there are others out there who will help on a commercial basis if you are stuck.
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#9 Posted : 12 May 2009 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter_1961
Thanks..Will have a look.

Pete
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#10 Posted : 12 May 2009 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Free CDM Publications for Principal and other Contractors here:
http://www.cskills.org/s...regs/guidance/index.aspx

Might help.
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#11 Posted : 13 May 2009 10:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Maw
Hi there

Email me at liz.reed@stage-electrics.co.uk and I would be more than happy to share our CDM procedure. We act as a speciast electrical contractor and designer of electrical systems for theatres and entertainment venues.

Setting out what you do to comply with CDM is not difficult and I would agree with previous posts about refering to the ACoP.
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#12 Posted : 18 May 2009 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch
Hi Peter

Suggest you use Appendix 4 of CDM ACOP to comment against the core criteria.

Regards, Peter
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#13 Posted : 18 May 2009 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By sonshine
Peter, i'm a CDMC - i'll do it for you if you pay me coz i need a job.
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#14 Posted : 18 May 2009 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By sonshine
i worked for a design and build company who did everything, who are now "redundant".....so i used to do all the CDM paperwork - seriously. and i'm DipNEBOSH now, but still between jobs. and i've got a sense of humour so i can take most of what the construction world will throw around
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#15 Posted : 18 May 2009 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Homer
Organograms of your site Management team are always good. Also using guidance notes in ACoP assign areas of responsibility to individuals.

Veering off a bit what is DipNEBOSH?
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#16 Posted : 18 May 2009 17:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By sonshine
hi there homer,
it means I'm just happy that i have recently passed my nebosh national diploma despite being made redundant twice in 3 months. and it means i have, as far as the L144 CDM acop says, a greater competency becasue i have the cdmc aps approved course under my belt, from one of my recent last companies, and the required HnS knowledge for a post as a CDMC. make any better sense? i hope so. fact is though, CDM is good when it works and you get into it having looked at the acop in depth, which is what an aps approved cdmc course will do. its a good one to get on if you can get it. there are many pitfalls with the understanding of CDM for those who don't have to deal with it every day, which i guess is why they make acops.
so peter has his work cut out for him anyhow.hope its going well Peter.

cheers
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#17 Posted : 18 May 2009 17:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Shyer
What is dip nebosh
regards
Ted
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#18 Posted : 18 May 2009 17:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Shyer
Sorry Sonshine I should read more carefully.
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#19 Posted : 18 May 2009 19:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP
In the mail - Chart showing outline roles and responsibilites under CDM07
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#20 Posted : 18 May 2009 21:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
This and all questions like it show for me a total ignorance of what CDM is meant to be about. Yes we should check competence but questions asking for a CDM procedure is about as good as asking a pilot to demonstrate how he flies from airport A to airport B

Troble is that too many clients are advised to ask questions in this format. As a CDMC I would be ashamed of asking this question in this manner

Bob
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#21 Posted : 19 May 2009 12:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Homer
Ouch somebody has woken up with a sore head. I have been working on CDM perojects for years and it's not an unresaonable question depending on waht sort of client you are dealing with.


Defence now over.

I have also come across many CDMC's in my time and to be honest they are a disgrace and really have no idea what CDM is about and do little for their fee.
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#22 Posted : 19 May 2009 20:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Homer

I think I was trying to make the popint about overly complex questions and the belief that there is a "procedure" for everything especially when the requirements of CDM should be an integral part of all that constructiuon organiisations do. How many clients can demonstrate their answer to this question.

The question actually does not address any specific competence issue and as such must necessarily be poorly constructed. Competence = Skills, Knowledge, Ability, Training, Experience, Attitude and Behaviour. In CDM terms the question is in relation to H&S knowledge of CDM and relevant legislation.

Bob (still sore headed but enjoying partial retirement)
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