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#1 Posted : 24 August 2009 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Hi, I would like to canvas peoples opinion on which they believe or the way they get access to top racking if there are any problems. I am referring to warehouse racking 3 bays high around about 15 metres to top. I once worked for a Japanese firm that had the safety cage available, but obviously there is then all the training etc that comes with that. But somebody recently mentioned the aircraft style ladders. The first thing in my head is obviously are the things that require you to go up there needed, bad stacking, issues like that, because but is it realistic of me to believe there would never be a reason to gain access up there. I would just like to have a better understanding how other people have attacked this issue. Regards Alan
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#2 Posted : 25 August 2009 08:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM I guess this is a taboo subject then right :) or maybe nobody in the country has racking lol.
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#3 Posted : 25 August 2009 08:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Alan With respect, it is difficult to understand what question you are asking from your post. I have not dealt much with racking systems but I would be inclined to speak to a company that provides them. In my experience FLTs are normally used for access to high racking. Ideally heavy/bulky items should be stored at low level and more easily retrievable items at the higher levels, although it is often the other way round in the places I have visited. Ray
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#4 Posted : 25 August 2009 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Ray, People have racking, sometimes problems may occur like a pallet that cannot be freed or something like that. So therefore access may be required, because the last thing anyone wants is to have people climb up there. So i am simply asking how other people ensure that access to top racking is done safely ie Aircraft Style Ladders, safety cage etc. I dont think there is anything cryptic in what i am asking Alan
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#5 Posted : 25 August 2009 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By CJP If you go to the HSE site http://www.hse.gov.uk and search the site for FLT man-riding you will found numerous examples of Enforcement Notices where man-riding cages have not complied with LOLER - usually inspection regime, design and fixing to the FLT are the problem areas. Cages are suitable for accessing high racks but have to be compliant with LOLER (in the UK) - I suggest you look at the LOLER guidance and google for suppliers of "FLT safety cages" of approved type.
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#6 Posted : 25 August 2009 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Alan, I have seen a variety of solutions to gaining access to the top of racking, some very much less safe than others. I have been led to believe that HSE's stance on FLT cages is that they are only really suitable for very occasional use when no other means of access is reasonable and then, only with trained personnel using maintained (and inspected) equipment, subject to risk assessment and written safe system of work. The chances of mis-communication between driver and man in the cage are great, the probability of a sudden movement spilling the man out is significant and the temptation to lean out or step on the cage is also significant. In addition, the cage doors are frequently insecure and the methods of securing the cage to the forks are not always reliable, often downright dangerous! Put that lot together and you can see why I detest them! MEWPs or cherry pickers are generally a safer option, provided the suppliers precautions are followed plus your own assesment to incorporate your own site-specific risks. You mention ladders: I therefore assume that your 15 metre height is a typo and should read 15 feet.
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#7 Posted : 25 August 2009 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Sorry CJP for repeating part of your posting. Note to site designers: can we please have a facility to see earlier posts whilst typing ours?
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#8 Posted : 25 August 2009 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Thank you very much for the positive replies, and yes i actually meant 5 metres. I think the MEWP idea is excellent but i suppose it depends on the urgency of the access required from a business perspective, as if you dont have a MEWP on site then would have to hire one. Thanks Again Alan
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#9 Posted : 25 August 2009 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Fennel We use racking of exactly the same height. We do not allow forklift trucks on the warehouse floor during opening hours and so sometimes access to top racking is required. For this we use either aircraft ladders, or an FLT cage. Our cages do not have doors and the user is confined to the cage with a lanyard. Communication is maintained with the FLT driver using radios. The FLT Driver wears a hard hat in-case the user should drop anything and both sign a safe system of work. The FLT must not be maneuvered whilst the cage is in the air. All our cages and lanyards are tested in accordance with LOLER and we have never had any issues.
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#10 Posted : 26 August 2009 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy.c. AJM Guidance PM28 (from memory) will help you if you decide to go down the route of a FLT fitted man basket, the safer option IMO is to use a MEWP however for occasional use the cost and availability (as you mentioned) can be prohibitive. one issue to be aware of is the capacity of whichever bit of kit you are using, it is very easy to exceed the capacity when removing stock from the affected pallet it is important to assess each case individually. Don't forget to investigate the cause, if a sound pallet with correctly stacked and secured stock is placed in the racking. Whats changed?
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#11 Posted : 26 August 2009 23:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Toe Stuff4blokes If you right click on 'post a new response' then click on open new window, you are able to have two tabs open at once (using windows explorer) by switching between the tabs you can view the posts on the thread in one tab and type your response in the other
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#12 Posted : 27 August 2009 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Thank you very much guys for the help and advice, its all pretty much what i thought but some good points have been mentioned. I think its obviously better to use a MEWP but the practicablility is the issue. Also I am all for stopping the reason to be up there in the first place if possible as in re-training on loading etc. I am also not to sure about the aircraft style ladders either. Thanks to all anyway. Alan
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