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#1 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Not being a joiner and not familiar with this equipment, I had a discussion with a joiner on site yesterday about PPE when using his Paslode gun.

My view is that eye protection is required, his view is to the contrary.

Any suggestions?

By the way the equipment in question has a sticker stating that hearing protection is required when using the "gun".
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#2 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By JohnMackie
If you look on the Paslode website there are manuals for the variety of products. the first one i looked at, clearly states the safety precautions to take, eye protection was one of them.

Hope this helps
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#3 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Thanks John I'll do that.
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#4 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By bluesail461
Eye protection - absolutely necessary, no question.
I used to work for a company where eye protection was mandatory and we had an incident where a nail bounced back off a knot in the wood and buried itself into the safety glasses - it would have taken the operators eye out - or worse.
The glasses were photographed (complete with nail) and posters sent around to all sites as a way of showing exactly why they were required. People did complain due to comfort/ steaming up but by selecting the right glasses through employee involvement in the selection process and through toolbox talks, compliance was extremely high. Other complaints were due to the glasses being scratched so operators couldnt see properly which could lead to more problems, but ensuring that spare glasses are available and that people look after the kit should help overcome this.
Hearing protection was also mandatory at the same time as the guns are very noisy.
Eye protection for working with such work equipment is an absolute no-brainer.

cheers

jez
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#5 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By PMW
Standard eye safety wear is not even good enough for paslode guns due to the pressured firing action. Your PPE supplier will advise suitable glasses/goggles.
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#6 Posted : 27 August 2009 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Thanks everyone, I did think I was right!
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#7 Posted : 27 August 2009 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By thesafetyconsultancy.com
Definately eye protection and I believe the standard required is BS EN:166 B which is impact resistant.

Regards
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#8 Posted : 27 August 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
I just got an excellent email from Steve Mitchell, thanks so much.

I wonder what the other reply was about?
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#9 Posted : 27 August 2009 13:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephen Mitchell
Chris

You are most welcome; the other message will undoubtedly have to remain as one of life's great unanswered mysteries.

Steve
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#10 Posted : 27 August 2009 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough
Jez's response is spot on with its useful summary of an effectively managed eye protection system. It would probably have been harder to operate without the sharing of information about the scenario in which eye protection saved an employee from losing his sight or worse.

A major problem with PPE, even if it is suitable and employees have been consulted, etc., is getting people to wear/use it at all necessary times. For up to 99.9% of the time when PPE items like eye protection are being worn, nothing adverse happens. Therefore, most people tend to be lulled into thinking, wrongly, that nothing nasty will ever happen to them, and therefore they don't need to bother with PPE with all its niggling aspects. The same goes for seat belts in vehicles: The vast majority of us who travel in vehicles will never experience any circumstances in which the seat belts we wear will actually play a part in saving our lives or minimising injury. This may well explain the proportion of people seen without seat belts in vehicles.
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#11 Posted : 29 August 2009 14:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By thesafetyconsultancy.com
My reply was reference british standards required and do not know why it was blocked
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#12 Posted : 30 August 2009 20:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Thank you and congratulations on becoming "unblocked".
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#13 Posted : 31 August 2009 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
One very stark way that we got the message across was that the trainer on nail and staple guns had indeed lost an eye due to misuse in his youth, so had all of the personal credentials to give thorough warnings to new users.

Cruel, not a bit - he wanted to ensure no one did the same stupid trick that he had done!
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#14 Posted : 31 August 2009 21:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clive Lowery
Crim,

Definately Goggles (not glasses) to EN 166 to mechanical grade 1,high impact.

Had an incident October last year involving a nail tool by another well known manufacturer.

An M & E operative who was working 5 Metres away from our guy was struck in the face 10mm below the eye by a 42mm nail, following a delayed action of the fixing tool, resulting in the nail rebounding.

There are training/competancy levels to consider as well. If it is a cartridge tool there is a BS that details the exact standard training must be carried out to. Part of our site managers pack is to maintain a register of all "authorised" users of such tools and when they last had any training on each type of tool. I do stop untrained operatives from using them and will red card repeat offenders.

Additionally, I have also got my report into the above incident, which if you want I will delete all the names etc and you can show your joiner, I also have some photos (pretty gory) of injuries sustained by operatives being struck in the eye by flying nails.


Regards

Clive

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#15 Posted : 31 August 2009 23:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Clive, yes please.

Your information will be well used.

Thank you.
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#16 Posted : 01 September 2009 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clive Lowery
Crim,

You have mail.

Regards

Clive
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