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monkey  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2009 11:33:08(UTC)
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I am the health and Safety advisor at a social housing provider Prior to my engagement the company engaged a consultant to carry out fire risk assessment, as you would expect these assessments recommend that we fit closer on all doors that open on to the protected escape route. So our assets management team had door closers fitted. We now have a situation where some tenants cannot open their doors. On a recent audit conducted by our local brigade numerous doors were found to be wedged open. It was also observed that some tenants had removed closers. I am aware that you can get swing free closers and there are many differnt type of closer available that can be linked into fire alarm systems, could anyone inform me if there is a closer on the market that can be linked to an alarm system, that can then be opened to allow a eagress and then automatically closed in order that we do not hamper persons exiting the premises but also ensure we are able to maintain adequate fire seperation? Any advice would be gratefully recieved
jwk  
#2 Posted : 13 November 2009 12:08:21(UTC)
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The type you need is something like a Briton 99-8 (at least this is what they used to be called, model numbers may have changed). These have a spring loaded arm which is held at the mechanism under tension until the alarm sounds. The arm then swings and hits a striker plate on the door, pushing the door to. What this means is that most of the time the door opens and closes completely unimpeded, there is nothing to prevent the door moving normally. The main problem with these devices is the cost; they aren't too bad to but but fitting them can be quite pricey, and they do need regular PPM, though reliability is quite high, John
DonnaL  
#3 Posted : 13 November 2009 12:16:31(UTC)
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If its any help I used to work in a care home with residents that couldnt open the doors. The fire doors were all fitted on a magnetic system so that as soon as the alarm was activated the doors closed. It worked fine and stopped the issue of doors that needed to close being propped open.
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 13 November 2009 12:21:07(UTC)
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You might also want to have a look at Dorgard - a stand alone holding open device http://www.dorgard.com/
jwk  
#5 Posted : 13 November 2009 12:25:28(UTC)
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Phil beat me to it; if you want doors permanently open Dorgard is far and away the cheapest solution; we use quite a few of them and they are robust and reliable. They do need good management as part of a PPM regime though as they are battery operated, John
grim72  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2009 12:53:56(UTC)
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I agree, can't fault the Dorgard. We test the alarm every week which tests the dorgard at the same time, a great invention in my humble opinion.
monkey  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2009 20:18:52(UTC)
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A few weeks ago we had a fire in a flat of a disabled tenant. This tenant was attempting to evacuate his flat, he managed to open the door but whilst exiting his wheelchair became lodged between the doop and the door frame, this not only put the tenant in a dangerous situation but it negated the fire seperation provided by the fire door. Fortunately their was a support worker in an adjacent flat who reacted and helped the tenant to safety. I am aware that you can get devices that hold doors open and I am aware that there are closers that you can link into the fire alarm, what I am looking for is a device that will close the door in the event of a fire activation but will allow a disabled person to overide the closer to make good their escape. Most closer that I have found do not allow this. As this cannot be a unique situation I was wondering how other have dealt with it.
andymak  
#8 Posted : 13 November 2009 23:24:39(UTC)
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Have seen this in a residential home and it seemed to work. Doors fitted with rising butt hinges, well maintained, and dorgard fited as well, the theory is the dorgard keeps the door open, and when it is released the rising butt hinges let the door swing closed, when the resi wants the door closed they trip the dorgard and release it.
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