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Jason272  
#1 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:10:38(UTC)
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Jason272

Just wondering what peoples opinions of updating COSHH Data sheets are?

Do they become out of date? What’s the best practice in relation to the topic?

All opinions and answers would be much appreciated.......
Kate  
#2 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:15:49(UTC)
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Kate

What is a COSHH data sheet ...?
Do you mean a material safety data sheet? Or a COSHH assessment? Or something else?
luke590  
#3 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:17:12(UTC)
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luke590

Kate, that to me screams COSHH Assessment..
Jason272  
#4 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:21:19(UTC)
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Jason272

COSHH Data Sheet = COSHH Assessment...... thought that was pretty self explanatory?
Kate  
#5 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:29:30(UTC)
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Kate

No ... I've often seen "COSHH sheets" that consist of information from the msds transposed into a new format. Sometimes these are passed off as COSHH assessments.

A COSHH assessment is far from being a data sheet. It includes a description of the task, a risk assessment based on both the task and the hazards of the substances, and the control measures that have been determined on this basis.

So what do these "COSHH data sheets" comprise?
luke590  
#6 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:36:07(UTC)
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luke590

Now now children. Kate, I think you splitting hairs. This is a professional forum to discuss matters of Health & Safety etc. Not to instigate arguments or try and make a point.

Now - back to the original post..

Jason - Regulation (6) of the Control of Substance Hazardous to Health Regulations state that the assessment of the risk to health must be reviewed regularly and promptly.

But it doesn't specify time scales... I’m sure someone will come along with a more detailed response..

Welcome to the forum and don't be put off by some people.
Heather Collins  
#7 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:51:42(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Sorry Luke (and Jason!)- I agree with Kate. I too have seen "COSHH assessments" that were little more than a re-wording of the MSDS and were just that - a sheet with data, not an assessment of risk. I don't think the oirginal question made it clear which was meant either.

Having established that Jason does mean COSHH assessment and not MSDS, how often does it need to be revised?

The way I do it Jason is to review and if necessary revise the assessment if there is a significant change in the process. This might mean a change in the substance used, the method of using it, the control measures, the type of PPE, or any other factor that was significant in the original assessment.

Other than that I would do a general review of all my assessments say once every 12 months just to make sure I hadn't missed any relevant changes. If the risk from the process is high then review more regularly, if low then less regularly.

Actually putting a review interval in the original assessment which will be stuck to regardless of any other changes works quite well in my experience.
Jason272  
#8 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:56:44(UTC)
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Jason272

Thank you for the help........ Luke.

Jason272  
#9 Posted : 08 February 2010 15:58:41(UTC)
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Jason272

Thank you for that Heather...... ill make it clearer next time.
leadbelly  
#10 Posted : 08 February 2010 16:40:09(UTC)
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leadbelly

Material safety data sheets are produced under CHIP and may not tell you want you need to know to assess the use of the substance under COSHH. I have recently been sent an MSDS for MDF and it states that there is no risk from the material. This is correct as long as it is not cut, sanded, etc as the main risk would be dropping the 8 x 4 sheet on your feet. However, a COSHH assessment would be required if the material is to be cut, shaped, sanded and so on; in that event, the MSDS is of limited use.

LB
luke590  
#11 Posted : 08 February 2010 16:42:13(UTC)
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luke590

Good points raised BUT we're forgetting the original posters question:

"Just wondering what peoples opinions of updating COSHH Data sheets are?
Do they become out of date? What’s the best practice in relation to the topic?"

User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:43:28(UTC) IanBlenkharn  
#12 Posted : 08 February 2010 17:05:33(UTC)
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IanBlenkharn

Im currently dealing with occupational health and hygiene issues of a group action case. I can't give details of course, but one major failing by the defendant was to have COSHH assessments that a) identified the main risks, each in just a couple of words and b) stated that they had the MSDS for the products concerned. But that was it. No consideration of what they were doing with the materials in question, or of the new and greatly magnified risks that that had created.

These COSHH assessments were each duly signed and circulated, and no doubt filed - they found them several years later in the hope it would bolster their defence. Each year, a new copy was prepared and/or countersigned with a date of update though the information remained unchanged. No other action was taken. They had copied a few words from a series of MSDS onto their own forms and that was that!

Perhaps not surprisingly, a lot of people became ill and this error in managing substances hazardous to health and their duty to perform COSHH assessments may contribute substantially to the defendants downfall.
luke590  
#13 Posted : 09 February 2010 09:04:34(UTC)
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luke590

IanBlenkharn wrote:
Im currently dealing with occupational health and hygiene issues of a group action case. I can't give details of course, but one major failing by the defendant was to have COSHH assessments that a) identified the main risks, each in just a couple of words and b) stated that they had the MSDS for the products concerned. But that was it. No consideration of what they were doing with the materials in question, or of the new and greatly magnified risks that that had created.

These COSHH assessments were each duly signed and circulated, and no doubt filed - they found them several years later in the hope it would bolster their defence. Each year, a new copy was prepared and/or countersigned with a date of update though the information remained unchanged. No other action was taken. They had copied a few words from a series of MSDS onto their own forms and that was that!

Perhaps not surprisingly, a lot of people became ill and this error in managing substances hazardous to health and their duty to perform COSHH assessments may contribute substantially to the defendants downfall.


Interesting case Ian - keep us updated as and when you can (legally speaking).
Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 09 February 2010 12:35:06(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

A key part of a proper COSHH Assessment review will be to consider if a safer product or method is available on the market. I seem to recall an older version of the COSHH Regs stipulating a 5 year interval in that regard.
Best practice though is an annual review of any Risk Assessment. Question then arises as to what constitutes a 'proper' review.
MSDS (where the are required under CHIP) are the responsibility of the supplier. All you can do is ask if the Sheet is still current. Some good suppliers now maintain MSDS via their websites.
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