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philb  
#1 Posted : 09 February 2010 12:17:16(UTC)
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philb

I am looking to calculate an Accident Frequency Rate as well as the Incidence rate which I have used for some years. I am aware of the formula and previous postings on this forum which I researched first. What I am trying to determine is 1. How are accurate actual hours worked captured in organisations where many persons are salaried? 2. Are accidents and hours worked by sub contractors usually included - again how are hours worked accurately determined? 3. If assumptions about hours worked and approximations are used what are they? 4. I'm hoping from a reply from someone who has been through this already or maybe from someone who does this for a large diverse organisation. Many Thanks Phil
CCGT  
#2 Posted : 09 February 2010 15:00:17(UTC)
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CCGT

Phil, My answer may be a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted so apologies in advance if it is. On my present site we use a part of the security swipe card system which automatically produces a monthly report on manhours burned for staff and contractors, after which a simple adjustment is made to account for breaks. Even smoke breaks are accounted for as it is a de-match site so we are confident that we get an accurate representation each month. Similar systems were used in my previous role on LNG terminal contruction sites with a corresponding system in place at the head office to capture manhours burned during the design and planning stages. It may be something you would like to consider in the future. Hope this is of help.
imwaldra  
#3 Posted : 09 February 2010 15:37:49(UTC)
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imwaldra

Why would you want to use hours in your calculation? HSE gave up doing that years ago and all their published rates are per 100,000 people. That's a ridiculous number, so you can just divide their figures by 1000 and you will get an annual rate per 100 people - which most line managers, supervisors, etc. can easily 'see'. You will find the numbers for LT injuries are usually between about 0.2 to 1 or 2. Of course you should include contractors, if you want your results to mean anything. Some organisations measure rates for both their own employees and contractors, but this makes sense only if they are doing rather different types of work and so are exposed to different hazards. If you want to compare with rates per hour, then the usual factor is a very crude 2000h/y per person. Thus the US standard rate (per 200,000 hours) is the same as the rate per 100 people recommended above. If your organisation doesn't record hours worked (as many don't), how are you helping by quote injury rates like that? All it does is help convince line people that OSH advisors don't live in their 'real world'. The IOSH Guide on reporting performance covers these points, and more, if you are looking for details.
Heather Collins  
#4 Posted : 09 February 2010 15:38:55(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Phil I used to do this in a previous role and the answers were: 1. For those who clocked on and off and were "hourly paid" the figures including overtime were very accurate and derived from the payroll department's hours worked figures. For salaried employees we simply took the days worked (again from HR / payroll who knew how many sick days and holidays there were) and multiplied by the contracted staff working hours. Yes this was probably an underestimate but we had no other reasonable way of doing it. 2. We did not include sub-contractors in this although we did keep a separate track of their accidents. 3. Assumptions as stated above were based around the salaried staff working contracted hours only. You could always attempt to gauge what % of time staff work above this and add a correction factor to your figure each month I suppose but we didn't.
philb  
#5 Posted : 09 February 2010 16:51:54(UTC)
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philb

Many thanks for the helpful replies. My reason for doing this is to bench mark ourselves against others who use this measure. My problem is I have quite a diverse workforce - persons who work on sites, persons working in domestic premises, sales staff, and office areas. None of these are subject to clocking in and site staff's pay includes an overtime element each week which may or may not be called upon. Also sub contractors hours most of whom are either site based or who work on our behalf in client premies are difficult to track. From the replies thus far it does seem some assumptions have to be made. phil
Neil Budworth  
#6 Posted : 10 February 2010 13:19:29(UTC)
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Neil Budworth

Hi Phil, I can completely understand why you want to calcualte this as it is still pretty much the standard benchmark. Also forgive me if I am teaching a grandmother to suck eggs but watch out for different mutipliers. there are three in common use - 100,000 hours ( a working life time); 200,000 hours (100 employees for one year) and 1,000,000 (a nice round number ). For your specific questions 1. How are accurate actual hours worked captured in organisations where many persons are salaried? This often depends on your IT systems. We collect actual hours worked. But if we don't have this information we use a calculation based on number of FTEs (Full Time Equivalents, rather than straight headcount which may have a number of part timers.) In this case you have a choice use contracted hours typically 7.4 per FTE, alternatively you can use a number which takes into account the percentage of absence that you will always have through absenee etc. 6.5 is fairly typical. 2. Are accidents and hours worked by sub contractors usually included - again how are hours worked accurately determined? This depends on what you are after. We capture and report both individually and combined, but given that you are trying to drive action you should choose your data set to send the messages that are most useful. For our long term contractors we set up contracts that requires them to report acidents and hours worked each month. If you don't have these arrangements then this can be a difficult area as you typically get accidents but not enough detail sof the hours worked. It is also common to count agency staff as employees rather than contractors as you directly direct their work. 3. If assumptions about hours worked and approximations are used what are they? I hope that the previous bit answers this I hope that this helps. Best Regards Neil
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