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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 14 March 2011 18:34:53(UTC)
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ianjones

I am assessing a small engineering workshop

the workshop is 40 ft long and is at mandatory noise level
I have put ear defenders , zones, signs, training etc in place

however

as the building is one long block with the engineering section in the middle
dispatch staff go one way through the workshop and office staff the other way

this affects about 5 people who each make about 10 trips per day
each trip through a 40ft room takes 30 seconds

the average exposure is low

do I need to enforce ear defenders? It takes longer to put them on than to walk through!

if anyone else has experienced this and can help I would appreciate it

leadbelly  
#2 Posted : 14 March 2011 18:39:46(UTC)
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leadbelly

Ian

If the noisy area is a mandatory hearing protection zone, then anyone working in or passing through the area must wearing hearing protection; that's what mandatory means.

Anyone required to pass through the area can use corded plugs which take seconds to put in and can be worn round their necks until required.

LB
m  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2011 08:03:16(UTC)
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m

Does it not depend on the average exposure ie dB(A) unless you are getting some peaks. What are the peak and average levels that you are measuring because this should lead you to an answer. Brief exposures to noise happen in and out of the workplace; enforcing hearing protection when it is not needed may devalue any other PPE that is essential, perhaps safety glasses.
teh_boy  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2011 08:16:34(UTC)
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teh_boy

In the spirit of the regulations you need to calculate exposure to the individual NOT the area. That said blanket enforcement zones can be an easy way of ensuring compliance.

You can work out exposure to the person in 2 ways - 1) personal dosimeter, or measure noise levels and then use the HSE noise calculators to estimate exposure.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/calculator.htm

As already said if it is noise that exceeds the limit value then you must protect hearing
Berty  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2011 08:48:48(UTC)
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Berty

Keeping the corded ear plugs in the pocket as part of individual workwear would be my choice. If designated a hearing protection zone, then abide by the ruling, otherwise folk get upperty, but make sure you get them to use them even if it's for appearences sake, it saves bother in the long run.
Nick Taylor  
#6 Posted : 15 March 2011 10:48:47(UTC)
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Nick Taylor

I would be looking at the individual personal exposure levels, not a blanket exposure level for the workshop. Work closely with the staff (both the workshop & dispatch) so they all fully understand the assessment & subsequent findings - allowing you to manage expectations.
Guru  
#7 Posted : 06 April 2011 16:15:37(UTC)
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Guru

Its deffo a tricky one, a situation not too dissimilar to mine. The regulations concerns itself with personal exposure levels, so in theory the passerbys exposure is likely never be anywhere near the upper & lower action values.

You can never absolutely guarantee that passerbys wont stop and deviate from their chosen task and stay in the noisey area longer than expected.

End of the day you have identified an area which requires mandatory hearing protection and as per the NAW Regs it should be implemented and enforced, regardless if staff use this area for a short time.
Kate  
#8 Posted : 07 April 2011 08:01:08(UTC)
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Kate

If you want to make an exception for people who are just passing through you could mark out a walkway and designate the areas outside the walkway as the manadatory hearing protection area.
Salis  
#9 Posted : 07 April 2011 15:56:47(UTC)
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Salis

Its a mandatory zone, you can't have one rule for one and another rule for others.
MB1  
#10 Posted : 07 April 2011 16:38:30(UTC)
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MB1

Interesting how you can guarantee how often people are passing through a mandatory zone, is such a system workable to ensure they are protected from noise levels in this way?

The practical solution bears more weight to enforce and issue hearing protection, even if ear plugs with draw string etc?
HSSnail  
#11 Posted : 07 April 2011 17:50:13(UTC)
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HSSnail

The following research paper produced by the HSE may make interesting reading for you

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab.../eintg/200503/paper1.pdf

For those who do not want to read the whole paper it basically advise people to consider the designation of hearing protection zones very carefully and not make whole blanket designations of areas where that is not required because of the problems that this can cause, and the enforcement of mandatory zones where that is appropriate.

Brian
Guru  
#12 Posted : 07 April 2011 21:03:23(UTC)
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Guru

Brian the article you provided is an interesting read and and you pointed out it does advise against blanket HPZ for large areas, however this approach can only be realised if employers have the flexability to move or segregate noisey equipment into certain smaller areas with enforced HPZ.

99% of the time organisations cannot do this due to space, so have to live with the larger HPZ. Going back to to the OP, you cannot have a designated HPZ and allow staff to pass thorough because they are only in the area for a short period of time, very quickly you'd find other staff members not wearing hearing protection because 'I was only in the area for a couple of minutes, you let the dispatch staff do it!'

It becomes very messy and impossible to manage effectively....so protect the staff and force the wearing of hearing protection...and protect your employer from claims of NIHL because 'I was never made to wear HP in the mandatory zone!'
MB1  
#13 Posted : 08 April 2011 10:05:03(UTC)
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MB1

I have to agree with guru on this.
Although it may not be likely for the HSE to indicate a breach of legislation I would certainly run this by your insurance provider as this could also be a lengthy run for potential liability to NIHL or at least the amount of time and legal costs to deny possible liability in any possible future civil cases brought against you?

How in this perspective would you be able to prove that allowing people to pass through a mandatory hearing protection zone will not be of a biased view?
HSSnail  
#14 Posted : 08 April 2011 12:42:40(UTC)
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HSSnail

guru and MB1

I am not actually in disagreement with either of you, but looking at Kate's suggestion of a designated walk way, and regulation 7 of the Control of Noise at Work Regs, and the HSE research paper I think it would be "possible" to allow this, perhaps if the walkway was to one side of the room and barrier off. However monitoring that those who need the protection I agree could be a nightmare!

This is of course assuming that the noise protection zone has been designated because of an average noise exposure and not a peak sound pressure reading when clearly everyone would need protection regardless of time spent in the room.

David Bannister  
#15 Posted : 08 April 2011 15:05:47(UTC)
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David Bannister

It may assist if you were to measure the real exposure to transient people. Also, if you did then consider designating a walkway assess whether anyone using the walkway could be significantly exposed to noise.

Given that information you would be in a stronger position if challenged aboput the validity of reducing the area of the HPZ.

Education also assists in allowing people to use what is sometimes called common sense. If everyone understands what the noise can do, why it cannot be further reduced and why hearing protection is needed (and its limitations) there is likely to be less resistance to any measures you need to impose.
Ellwood  
#16 Posted : 12 April 2011 13:37:04(UTC)
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Ellwood

Hello Ian,

Where I work it is between 90 - 105dB (A) with mandatory hearing protection being worn in all production areas (we do have extensive sound absorbing booths around all power presses and ancillaries).

What I have found is that you cannot have an exemption for people who occasionally walk through the area as many in the work force will revert to 8 years of age and stop wearing theirs (“I’m not wearing it because they are not”). This is even with extensive training, regular audiomitery etc

If you issue ear plugs I have found that people will walk into the area fitting them “I’m only walking through, I’m in a rush”, so they get no protection.

What I have found works best is to issue ear defenders with the owners name on them (remember 8 years of age “I’m not wearing any because I’ve lost them”); they are easy to fit, clean etc. If you do this you will not waste months of your life debating the issue with people and you will not have a ‘them and us’ situation.
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