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Carrietobin  
#1 Posted : 07 July 2015 10:22:01(UTC)
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Carrietobin

Hi All, I have a manager, who is telling me that since we introduced his team to Hi Vis, they are regularly being bothered by insects and are being stung by bees/ wasps on an almost daily basis. I am slightly skeptical about it being the fault of the Hi Vis, as they are the only team that have this issue. Can I also point out that none of these stings have made it into the accident book, despite repeated reminders. Now, I realise that thousands of people across the country wear Hi Vis on a daily basis and I am just wondering has anyone else had reported instances of stings, amongst their workers?? thanks
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 07 July 2015 10:29:12(UTC)
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RayRapp

I am aware that yellow hi-vis apparel do attract certain types of flies i.e. midges. Not aware these also attract wasps/bees, etc. I suspect your staff are not too happy with the new imposition and finding an excuse to complain about it.
sidestep45  
#3 Posted : 07 July 2015 12:04:49(UTC)
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sidestep45

It is my understanding (can't remember where the reference was, but I don't think it's an urban myth :-)) that as Rapeseed is now an important crop in this country it has increased insects attraction to yellow Hi Viz and certainly during the summer switching to orange or green in rural enviroments can reduce incidents of stings and bites (I do understand some sites have standard colours for different roles so this is not possible)
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 07 July 2015 12:11:52(UTC)
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bob youel

RR & ss45 have got is right as far as I am aware, additionally those who wear deodorant and after shave etc. are more prone to 'investigation' by insects than non users what do your guys do and where do they do it as hotter weather is increasing the amount of insect activity throughout the UK so managers need to make appropriate arrangements NB: We had a very bad accident where a bee got inside the visor of a ride-on-mover driver whilst they were on the highway so insects can do harm
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 07 July 2015 12:26:14(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Wasps (in my personal experience) are also attracted to electromagnetic fields from operating electric motors and to the smell of petrol. Blackfly seem to find yellow hi-viz irresistible. Bees shouldn't be an issue unless your on a direct traffic route near a honey bee hive.
biliath  
#6 Posted : 07 July 2015 12:37:19(UTC)
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biliath

I had a similar question raised a few years back regarding bees/ wasps and hi vis. An academic from the school of biosciences at the local uni stated he had never come any issues with bees and wasps in relation to hi viz but also suggested I try the bee keepers society. By coincidence a colleague of mine is a bee keeper and member of this group. He agreed with the professor and further stated that bees espcially become irratated by dark colours (which is why bee keepers wear white) as they see them as predators. Bees and wasps will also react adversly to strong aftershaves and perfumes!!! I subsequently spoke to a H&S guy at British Sugar who have researched this issue, their findings agreed with the above. They also identified that those individuals who wore head to toe hi viz did not receive proportionately more stings to those who simply wore hi viz tabards. It might be worth speaking to these 2 groups for an update on this?
walker  
#7 Posted : 07 July 2015 13:49:53(UTC)
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walker

Ron Hunter wrote:
Blackfly seem to find yellow hi-viz irresistible.
Interesting Do you think I could lure them off my broad beans with a hi viz jacket ?
walker  
#8 Posted : 07 July 2015 13:50:57(UTC)
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walker

RayRapp wrote:
I am aware that yellow hi-vis apparel do attract certain types of flies i.e. midges. Not aware these also attract wasps/bees, etc. I suspect your staff are not too happy with the new imposition and finding an excuse to complain about it.
^ What he said
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 07 July 2015 16:22:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

walker wrote:
Ron Hunter wrote:
Blackfly seem to find yellow hi-viz irresistible.
Interesting Do you think I could lure them off my broad beans with a hi viz jacket ?
I'll leave that one for Monty Donn to answer. ; )
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 07 July 2015 17:10:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

Do the High Viz jackets have brown hoops around them ha ha. Joking aside I know yellow attracts greenfly when they are active. Perhaps a different colour with reflective strips would be a better option.
johnmurray  
#11 Posted : 08 July 2015 09:51:16(UTC)
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johnmurray

The visible spectrum insects "see" is radically different to the spectrum humans see. Insects mainly see from yellow up into ultra-violet, many birds also see into UV, and have patterned plumage only visible under UV irradiation. White clothing also attracts insects. Your HiViz reflects UV very well. Your guys should be OK at night!!
jasgaw  
#12 Posted : 08 July 2015 11:05:01(UTC)
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jasgaw

There are Pink High Vis on the market, purchase some of these as an alternative for those complaining, I think given the choice they would prefer yellow.
achrn  
#13 Posted : 08 July 2015 11:15:10(UTC)
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achrn

jasgaw wrote:
There are Pink High Vis on the market, purchase some of these as an alternative for those complaining, I think given the choice they would prefer yellow.
Is there? There are certainly pink vests (tabards) in the style of high-vis clothing, but does it actually meet the requirements of the standard to be labelled as high-visibility clothing? My understanding was that EN 471 specified colour as yellow, orange/red or red (or a combination of them) plus uncoloured reflective bands. A pink (or any of the other colours suggested) vest won't be hi-vis in the sense of 'meets the accepted standard for high-visibility clothing', so assuming there's a good reason for the high-vis other than just uniform (ie otehr than just 'so naive members of the public identify this person as a worker'), I don't think other colours is a valid approach.
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 08 July 2015 11:30:46(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

If the complainers include women, they might be delighted to wear pink hi-vis items instead of yellow ones! Also, who knows, this thread might help to spur a new fashion for wearing pink hi-vis as a radical change from the boring standard yellow stuff! In fact, except in situations where an industry standard applies, e.g. orange for work on railways, a choice of colours could be offered: From a quick look on the internet, there's ample choice including green, purple, blue, raspberry, maroon and, believe it or not, navy and black!!! :-)
Hally  
#15 Posted : 08 July 2015 11:33:12(UTC)
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Hally

At some depots we use orange hi-viz, as that colour doesn't attract as much attention, not that i remember when visiting in bright yellow...
johnmurray  
#16 Posted : 08 July 2015 19:06:41(UTC)
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johnmurray

Go to red hiviz....most insects "see" red very poorly
Invictus  
#17 Posted : 09 July 2015 11:48:49(UTC)
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Invictus

Graham Bullough wrote:
If the complainers include women, they might be delighted to wear pink hi-vis items instead of yellow ones! Also, who knows, this thread might help to spur a new fashion for wearing pink hi-vis as a radical change from the boring standard yellow stuff! In fact, except in situations where an industry standard applies, e.g. orange for work on railways, a choice of colours could be offered: From a quick look on the internet, there's ample choice including green, purple, blue, raspberry, maroon and, believe it or not, navy and black!!! :-)
Bit sexist, maybe the men would like to wear pink.
watcher  
#18 Posted : 09 July 2015 11:53:46(UTC)
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watcher

jasgaw wrote:
There are Pink High Vis on the market, purchase some of these as an alternative for those complaining, I think given the choice they would prefer yellow.
Why do you think that? Are you implying that if they complain they should get a "girly" colour? Surely not
Invictus  
#19 Posted : 09 July 2015 11:56:39(UTC)
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Invictus

Well I for one think that pink is suitable for men and women. In this day and age we should be allowed to express ourselves and besides that yellow doesn't go with my nail polish or work shoes.
Graham Bullough  
#20 Posted : 09 July 2015 15:44:41(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Invictus - My apologies if my comments intended in jest at #14 upset you or anyone else. Perhaps I'm still slightly conditioned by my upbringing long ago in an era when pink was still very much the traditional clothing colour for females. Nowadays, it's quite common for men, including politicians and journalists seen on TV, to wear shirts, ties and other items which are pink or somewhere in the pink area of the colour spectrum. Come to think of it, I suppose several of the shirts I used to wear at work were basically pink though their labels state 'claret' or 'wine'. That prompts me to add that marketing folk apparently reckon most people are influenced by descriptive names. Therefore, the mooted new trend for pink hi-vis might be given a boost by alternative names such as "hot neon" which is used by one or more makers/retailers!!! :-)
Wayne Bayman  
#21 Posted : 10 July 2015 10:26:58(UTC)
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Wayne Bayman

So many answers already but I'll add some personal experience. One of my customers is a sugar manafucturer and on their sites they specifically prohibit lime/yellow reflective vests because the consensus that it attracts bees. Living in africa I can tell you that yellow reflective tape attracts bees without a doubt. Orange and pink i'm not sure about. On the other hand, all my staff wear reflective jackets on site and I cant recall a bee sting injury in the last 2 years.
blodwyn  
#22 Posted : 13 July 2015 13:52:05(UTC)
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blodwyn

I work in the Water industry and over the years we have moved away from yellow hi-viz for our site operatives on sewage works because they do seem to absolutely attract the flies so much more. Orange is now the hi-viz colour of choice. One of our graduates even did an experiment on it - shame I cannot upload photos as it really is very telling.
canecreek  
#23 Posted : 28 June 2019 10:22:06(UTC)
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canecreek

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/4360701.stm

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