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Acorns  
#1 Posted : 15 July 2019 09:00:07(UTC)
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Acorns

HSE recently published the 2019 fatal injury stats, with specific exclusion of fatal road traccifc collisions (RTCs) becasue such data is recorded by another agency.  Checked the last (2017) stats by the DfT, and whilst mentioning vehicle types, not one mention of work, employment or similar.   The Stats19 Formhas no means of recording if work / employment was involved by any of the parties. Work related road riskshould, IMHO, be high on every employer/employee's radar and being actively managed. Some businesses rave about how failing to manage WRRR will lead to a Corporate manasluaghter prosecution (Scaremongering!!) Does anyone have any sources that would assist in assessing how well or badly we are doing as the 2 main sources of such information specifically exclude the very data that might be used helpus assess our success or failure in this area.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htm?utm_source=govdelivery&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=digest-11-jul-19&utm_term=header&utm_content=stats-july-19

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/744077/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2017.pdf

 

Natasha.Graham  
#2 Posted : 15 July 2019 09:31:28(UTC)
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Natasha.Graham

I completely agree that organisations should be recording and managing their work related RTCs. I'm thankful that my organisation does, although I know many don't.

I have found this link from the Occupational Road Safety Alliance.  The data only goes up to 2016 as far as I can see but it might be a good start?

https://www.orsa.org.uk/facts-and-figures/crash-and-casualty-data/

RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 15 July 2019 09:35:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

Below are some WRRR data provided by Mr Google. I don't how accurate these stats are and I would hazard a guess they are more anecdotal than scientific due to the lack of an accurate recording process.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/roadsafety/roadsafety.htm

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/adhoc-analysis/lfs-worked-related-rta.htm

https://www.brake.org.uk/facts-resources/15-facts/1292-work-related-road-safety

  

Acorns  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2019 10:46:59(UTC)
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Acorns

Thanks for your comments - all the links are similar in they either GUESS or make no reference to work.  The Brake oner simoply refers to the DfT, which doesn't refer to Work, so their's, IMHO isreally a guess rather than a fact.   As we drive around, consider how many of the other vehicles are clearly a company car, grey fleet or commercial - about 60% of all new car registrations are company regd (does this mean @60% of upto 3yr old cars are company).   I think a significant proportion of vehicles on the road, especially day time, are primarily work related - what are your views? 

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 15 July 2019 11:40:35(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Highways England - Driving for better business? https://www.drivingforbetterbusiness.com/

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Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 15 July 2019 11:40:35(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Highways England - Driving for better business? https://www.drivingforbetterbusiness.com/

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stevedm  
#7 Posted : 15 July 2019 16:27:56(UTC)
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stevedm

Stats 19 is dependant on the officer at the road side recording the correct information...further information is available from the local authority/ collision investigation who can provide maps on type of collisions which can show commercial vehicles as well as duty at the time of the incident...you have to pay for it but it is usedful,, I used it in for high consequence dangerous goods road risk... roadsafety fundation is a good start so is EurRap and also Crashmap UK which can be filtered to note commerical...again more for route risk assessments rather than a headline...

imwaldra  
#8 Posted : 16 July 2019 08:15:15(UTC)
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imwaldra

For information: A few years ago myself and another past-President tried to persuade IOSH to fund some fairly cheap research into the available data from STATS19, as we were aware that no work-related figues are ever issued. We were informed it wasn't an IOSH research priority (the person who made that decision has since left IOSH).

Soon after that IOSH funded some research into the data from Ireland and we contacted the person leading it, as we could possibly find other sources to finance UK research. Unfortunately she had no spare resources, so that idea failed too!

So Karen and myself agree with comments made about the value of some simple analysis - which would probably initially show the need for better completion in this area, as you can understand that if no one uses the data, the police who fill in the forms won't spend much effort in improving the accuracy and completeness of the work-related bits! But the challenge is to find someone with the cash to fund it

Acorns  
#9 Posted : 18 July 2019 12:28:12(UTC)
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Acorns

I've since found some official stats (My thanks to BRAKE) on work related KSIs (Search ras30037) which gives data for 2012-17.  Stats are great at saying whatever we want.

driver/rider killed at work dropped from 87 to 76 (yay), but serious injury rose from 1301 to 1357.   driver rider commuting to/from work rose from 85 to 90 and serious injury from 1720 to 2291.

Two things to note, the recording methods have changed at least once in that time, secondly I must assume that driving at work and commuting to/from work are different individuals (the latter being higher).   So, could or should the real work related road risk include killed going to, being at or coming from work where it dropped from 172 to 166 deaths but serious injury rose from 3021 to 3648.  Those higher numbers have cunningly been hidden from the stats.

We know that road risk has been a high profile for years, it has supposedly been under the remit of the H&S professionals for a similar period.  So, not one to shy away from contentious questions - What are the H&S professionals doing or failing to do to combat this trend which impinges upon EVERY workplace?  

imwaldra - in light of the above, your comment on the IOSH reasearch funds is interesting.

peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 18 July 2019 14:38:26(UTC)
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peter gotch

Acorns

HSE has consistently resisted changing RIDDOR to bring such accidents into scope for at least 20 years on the pretext of increasing red tape and the myth that the data is adequately collected via other sources.

Which means as you have already pointed out that we are in guesswork mode which is made more embarrassing as HSE is charged with providing Eurostat with annual reports of accidents of different severities (whose definition took a very long time to agree). Eurostat requirements do NOT exclude work-related RTAs, so what HSE provides includes a guess of the numbers.

Does help HSE occasionally massage European comparisons and bring the UK almost to the top of the EU league, until you read the small print.

Ian's comment was interesting and perhaps IOSH will revisit.

For what it's worth the organisation that I work for (like Natasha) takes this risk very seriously (globally). But individual large organisations counting the numbers is no substitute for a coherent national and international approach.

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SteveMolloy81 on 18/07/2019(UTC)
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