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peterhosie  
#1 Posted : 22 July 2019 09:23:07(UTC)
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Natasha.Graham  
#2 Posted : 22 July 2019 09:54:02(UTC)
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Natasha.Graham

I think it's a risk that we possibly haven't really considered in any great detail before; I also think that based on my own experience this type of incident is rare and would happen if the individual collided with the airbag at some force.  However, that is merely my opinion and I could be wrong. That said the wearing of lanyards is still a risk, but then so is wearing brooches or medals or name badges.  Any injury from such items would often depend on how fast the car was going upon impact and hence the forces exerted on the individual etc.

I'm not disputing what Dorset Police are saying, it is an interesting topic, but I personally think this is a relatively unknown area and we need to react appropriately and risk assess.

Our company use information security policies to mandate that our passes are taken off once we have left the building - so this could be one way of removing or reducing the risk.

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peterhosie on 22/07/2019(UTC)
Mark-W  
#3 Posted : 22 July 2019 10:04:17(UTC)
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Mark-W

In a similar train of thought, soldiers in Afghan/Iraq used to have pens, scissors, knives etc on the front of their body armour for ease of access. But when they initiated an IED these useful items then became high speed shrapnel and caused more injurys to the face, neck head. Wasn't long before the powers that be informed everyone to remove these items and eith place them in pockets or in the side pouches.

So I can fully understand where this story is coming from. Also pains me to see people driving down the motorway with the passengers resting their feet on the dash.

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peterhosie on 22/07/2019(UTC), webstar on 25/09/2019(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 22 July 2019 10:29:53(UTC)
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Roundtuit

This hit the members forum at the start of the month

There appear to be two single events decribed - one where the lanyard affected the drivers lung and another where keys on the lanyard perforated the drivers bowel

There does appear to be one refernce originating in November 2018 https://safety.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ALT307-Access-Pass-on-Lanyard1.0.pdf

Or is it all a marketing scam to sell unecessary signage https://www.safetysigns4less.co.uk/Safety-Signs/Hazard-Specific-Signs/Vehicle-Safety-Signs/Do-Not-Wear-Lanyards-When-Driving-Portrait

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Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 22 July 2019 10:29:53(UTC)
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Roundtuit

This hit the members forum at the start of the month

There appear to be two single events decribed - one where the lanyard affected the drivers lung and another where keys on the lanyard perforated the drivers bowel

There does appear to be one refernce originating in November 2018 https://safety.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ALT307-Access-Pass-on-Lanyard1.0.pdf

Or is it all a marketing scam to sell unecessary signage https://www.safetysigns4less.co.uk/Safety-Signs/Hazard-Specific-Signs/Vehicle-Safety-Signs/Do-Not-Wear-Lanyards-When-Driving-Portrait

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peterhosie  
#6 Posted : 22 July 2019 10:38:56(UTC)
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peterhosie

I also believe that badges should be removed ‘for security purposes’ as soon as you leave your premises and yes this would remove the risk completely if strictly followed by drivers.

Personally I believe it’s an over-reaction to two incidents where there was one with a lanyard and the second with a set of keys albeit I’m not disputing there were serious injuries.

There could be an increased risk to taxi drivers and other professional drivers such as delivery drivers due to the amount of hours they drive but again there are only two incidents that we seemingly know about and that puts it into a very low risk category. I believe our risk assessments should be focusing on significant risks.   

Acorns  
#7 Posted : 22 July 2019 21:35:00(UTC)
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Acorns

Perhaps its trhe wrong header in referring to lanyards.  Typically they are a tug-safe soft mylon material with a single pass card.  Not a bunch of keys, 3-4 pass cards, and a host of other things.  yes something went wrong and perhaps the analysis is flawed and just a media headline for the ast majoirty to those who have a lanyard, phone holder, pass card or whatever in a pocket, jacket etc on the front of the body from the wasit upwards.
As yet we haven't seen a photo of a similar setup that were involved in the two incidents. Its an interesting scenario but perhaps a little more info would have been less reactionary and perhaps more reflective and responsive.
as things on a driver or passengers body that may aggravate an injury, perhaps a single pass card on a lanyard is not the highest on a list of options

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A Kurdziel on 23/07/2019(UTC), peterhosie on 24/07/2019(UTC)
johnmurray  
#8 Posted : 23 July 2019 11:31:18(UTC)
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johnmurray

Perhaps the police should not have been the organisation announcing this....after all, they drive around with comms devices attached to the front of their bodies....as well as a variety of other equipment....
It may be of interest to note that an airbag inflates to full deployment in 0.05sec...ish....and if you are not wearing a drive restraint, you may well be moving forwards, fast, and meet the airbag moving backwards, faster!
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peterhosie on 24/07/2019(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 23 July 2019 12:15:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: AcornsConsult Go to Quoted Post
Typically they are a tug-safe soft mylon material with a single pass card.  Not a bunch of keys, 3-4 pass cards, and a host of other things.

Just passed a local college where several of the lecturers appear to entering some form of carrying competition as to how much they can attach to their id lanyard - pen, scissors!, whistle...

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Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 23 July 2019 12:15:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: AcornsConsult Go to Quoted Post
Typically they are a tug-safe soft mylon material with a single pass card.  Not a bunch of keys, 3-4 pass cards, and a host of other things.

Just passed a local college where several of the lecturers appear to entering some form of carrying competition as to how much they can attach to their id lanyard - pen, scissors!, whistle...

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Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 24 September 2019 15:53:42(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 24 September 2019 15:53:42(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Dave5705  
#13 Posted : 24 September 2019 16:57:00(UTC)
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Dave5705

I knew a football referee who had an accident when a football ricocheted off his chest taking the whistle up with it into his face. It made a right mess of his chin. Just saying.

Roundtuit  
#14 Posted : 24 September 2019 18:41:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Never said the implausible cannot happen - many TV production companies make a decent living from the videos of such events  - what we are seeing with this "story" is the development of the myth where if it is said often enough from many unchecked sources all citing each other.... particularly where the publication would normally be considered professional rather than a traditional red top.

Roundtuit  
#15 Posted : 24 September 2019 18:41:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Never said the implausible cannot happen - many TV production companies make a decent living from the videos of such events  - what we are seeing with this "story" is the development of the myth where if it is said often enough from many unchecked sources all citing each other.... particularly where the publication would normally be considered professional rather than a traditional red top.

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