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SBH  
#1 Posted : 04 May 2021 06:53:12(UTC)
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SBH

Has any one come across a dead mans handle device that can be used so that users have to physically stay with a toaster whilst it is operated, this is to prevent unwanted fire alarm activations caused by staff toasting bread twice and clearing off on the second toasting hoping that the toaster will automatically eject the toast or will know if its burning. Punitive yes, but the toaster would still be available

SBH

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2021 08:36:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

One safety in design consideration would be limiting the contact between user and an electrical appliance.

Therefore to have a design that requires a user to physically hold the bread in place whilst the elements heat-up is contrary to good design and is possibly dangerous in itself keeping the user in close proximity with a hot surface.

Plenty of posts regarding toasters and false alarms - general consensus is change the alarm sensor or ban toasters

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 04 May 2021 08:36:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

One safety in design consideration would be limiting the contact between user and an electrical appliance.

Therefore to have a design that requires a user to physically hold the bread in place whilst the elements heat-up is contrary to good design and is possibly dangerous in itself keeping the user in close proximity with a hot surface.

Plenty of posts regarding toasters and false alarms - general consensus is change the alarm sensor or ban toasters

SBH  
#4 Posted : 04 May 2021 09:46:42(UTC)
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SBH

To explain,

We are an hospital and provide a service to very ill patients with very busy nurses expected to make the toast.

Controls in place.

Heat detector in place , auto closer on fire door, L1 Fire alarm installed, notices in place to state stay with toaster when in operation, clean crumb tray, open windows.

Over 12 months we had 12 activations due to toasters and wish to reduce it without removing the service or telling patients no toast is available.

SBH

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 04 May 2021 09:51:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Modifying something like that is asking for trouble. You will now be taking all the liability associated with use of the toaster. You will need to demonstrate  that user can’t get electrocuted by the toaster even after years of use and that they will not be exposed to hot surfaces. You will also need to demonstrate that the toaster cannot  be “modified” by the user, so it stays down.  There will have to be new written  instruction and possible training to make sure that people know how to use this modified and unique toaster.  I think this would be a lot of hassle. Easier just to ban them or  as said fit appropriate fire detection.

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 04 May 2021 09:58:32(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/148477/HTM_05-03_Part_B.pdf

 

If you look at para 5.1 of the above document is mentioned that kitchen areas should have suitable fire detection to avoid false alarms(UwFS ).  

Alan Haynes  
#7 Posted : 04 May 2021 10:01:04(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 04 May 2021 10:13:49(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Boris saves the day. We  can all sleep safely in our beds knowing that Boris  has applied his common sense to this pesky H&S safety issue.  I wonder what his thoughts on  COSHH risk assessment are? Probably just hold your breath and  have a snifter of  brandy( Grande Champagne Cognac of course) to take way the taste and Bob’s your uncle.

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biker1 on 05/05/2021(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 04 May 2021 13:36:45(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Is this not more of a training issue to know the difference between the defrost, toast and re-heat buttons that are prevalent on most modern toasters?

Or an equipment issue in that the supplied toaster does not have a re-heat function?

Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 04 May 2021 13:36:45(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Is this not more of a training issue to know the difference between the defrost, toast and re-heat buttons that are prevalent on most modern toasters?

Or an equipment issue in that the supplied toaster does not have a re-heat function?

biker1  
#11 Posted : 04 May 2021 15:48:40(UTC)
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biker1

Originally Posted by: Alan Haynes Go to Quoted Post
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-promises-to-bring-hot-buttered-toast/ Problem solved

The buffoon strikes again. Good to see they have a firm grasp on priorities. Do I detect a scornful attitude to health and safety here? This could be the tip of the iceberg, or the crust of the toast if you like.

peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 04 May 2021 18:39:08(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hospital toast solved. Time for a toast.

Next, perhaps get rid of COMAH.

1. The establishments will probably still do what COMAH requires as it makes sense.

+ 2. When the next big bang happens, Boris will probably no longer be PM and someone else can face the music. Bit unlucky if it happens the day after deregulation but someone else could sift through the paperwork. That's why Boris has minions, sorry I mean civil servants for. Rule No 1 for deregulation: always have a scapegoat handy.

P

Edited by user 04 May 2021 18:40:42(UTC)  | Reason: Y tipe what u meen to tipe Y

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A Kurdziel on 05/05/2021(UTC)
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