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matelot1965  
#1 Posted : 02 August 2024 15:19:43(UTC)
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matelot1965

Hi All,

We have circular stainless steel drain covers within our food production site and when wet obvioulsy become quite slippery. I am looking at solutions to replace or roughen up. The current thickness of the drain covers are 10mm and I cannot find anyone who can etch anything over 6mm. I have found a company that coud potentially supply textured stainless steel drain covers but they are in the US (waiting to hear back from them). Reach trucks trucks transit over these drain covers so they need to be strong enough so as not to buckle under their weight.

Just wondering if anyone may have come across this issue before and have a recommendation/solution.

Thanks in advance

Kate  
#2 Posted : 02 August 2024 16:29:29(UTC)
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Kate

Have you already looked at how to stop them getting wet?

matelot1965  
#3 Posted : 02 August 2024 17:55:11(UTC)
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matelot1965

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

Have you already looked at how to stop them getting wet?

Hi Kate 

They are drain covers they will enevitably get wet unfortunately

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 03 August 2024 11:24:00(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi matelot

To follow up on Kate's comment, yes, but perhaps there are ways of reducing how wet the drain covers get, how often that happens and to dry them off more quickly.

The idea of etching 10mm thick drain covers that have fork trucks running over them seems like a recipe for an overturning fork truck. You would be, in effect, deliberately pre-weakening the covers.

+ if you etch them, there could be a build up of foodstuffs, so defeating the food safety reason for having shiny stainless steel covers in the first place. 

This is really one for the technical experts.

matelot1965  
#5 Posted : 03 August 2024 18:06:32(UTC)
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matelot1965

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Hi matelot

To follow up on Kate's comment, yes, but perhaps there are ways of reducing how wet the drain covers get, how often that happens and to dry them off more quickly.

The idea of etching 10mm thick drain covers that have fork trucks running over them seems like a recipe for an overturning fork truck. You would be, in effect, deliberately pre-weakening the covers.

+ if you etch them, there could be a build up of foodstuffs, so defeating the food safety reason for having shiny stainless steel covers in the first place. 

This is really one for the technical experts.

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the response. I think drying the drain covers off quickly would not achieve anything they are smooth staineless steel and are also outside a washroom so even a small amount of water on them makes them a slip hazard I think the practicality of cleaning them off quickly would be a non-starter. I also think the build up of food stuffs would not be an issue as the area is cleaned regulalrly. I do thoughtake your point ref etching and potentially weakening the drain covers, cannot find a company that can etch anything over 6mm depth anyhow (they are 10mm) It maybe that I need to try and source pre-fabrictaed textured drain covers if I can. Wait and see what our American cousins think if potentially they could export

Edited by user 03 August 2024 18:07:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Alan Haynes  
#6 Posted : 04 August 2024 10:54:51(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

In my day, (retired many years ago) two suggestions would have sprung to mind as worth trying. Firstly cover the are where the lids are with rubber matting. Or. Secondly - smother the lids with Evo-Stick (other contact adhesives are available), and before it dries, liberally sprinkle with medium fine grit. I suppose not allowed these days.
matelot1965  
#7 Posted : 04 August 2024 11:29:10(UTC)
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matelot1965

Originally Posted by: Alan Haynes Go to Quoted Post
In my day, (retired many years ago) two suggestions would have sprung to mind as worth trying. Firstly cover the are where the lids are with rubber matting. Or. Secondly - smother the lids with Evo-Stick (other contact adhesives are available), and before it dries, liberally sprinkle with medium fine grit. I suppose not allowed these days.

Hi Alan, 

Many thanks for the response love both those ideas - sometimes the simplest ideas are the best.- Many Thanks

Derek

Edited by user 04 August 2024 11:29:54(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

grim72  
#8 Posted : 05 August 2024 07:24:56(UTC)
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grim72

Just in addition to Alan's suggestion - there are plenty of heavy duty anti-slip tapes/floor coverings available with varying levels of aggregate in them to provide varying grades of grip (most of which are waterproof and can be used for external use). Alternatively there are anti-slip paints available. Heskins and Rocol are a couple of manufacturers worth a look at to see if they have anythign suitable. You will also have seen the heavier duty yellow stair nosings (GRP - glass reinforced plastic) which are a more substantial and longer term option that can be screwed into place (not sure if you can get flat sheets of these but if so you could cut to size to cover the drain lids)? 

chris42  
#9 Posted : 05 August 2024 08:23:16(UTC)
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chris42

Could you get a local welding company that can weld stainless steel, weld some raised bumps on top of the plate in a grid pattern ( like tack welds ) so you end up with a dotted effect. This should not allow the plate to be weakened if done properly. It should still allow for easy cleaning. This would be hard wearing and not peel off etc.

Holliday42333  
#10 Posted : 05 August 2024 15:19:29(UTC)
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Holliday42333

As Peter said, this is really one to engage with the Technical (food safety) Team.

I did a few years in Food production in the distant past and there was a constant balancing act between the roughness of the, mainly, resin flooring.  Rough enough to prevent slips but not so rough that the bugs couldn't shelter and hide from the hygiene team.

The large multi-site group I worked for did come up with a "roughness" standard that was measured with a little orange meter that we called Kenny after the Sout Park character it vaguely resembled.

INortonAVI  
#11 Posted : 13 August 2024 12:35:59(UTC)
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INortonAVI

Who is meant by the Technical Team? 

Googling technical food safety team brings me results for the food standards agency.

Is there an IOSH technical team or am I missing something here?

The envirnoment our operatives work in means this is one of the things we are trying to balance, and any source of advice would be appreciated.

Holliday42333  
#12 Posted : 13 August 2024 13:58:07(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: INortonAVI Go to Quoted Post

Who is meant by the Technical Team? 

Googling technical food safety team brings me results for the food standards agency.

Is there an IOSH technical team or am I missing something here?

The envirnoment our operatives work in means this is one of the things we are trying to balance, and any source of advice would be appreciated.

Nothing to do with IOSH or even Occupational Safety.

In the food industry the food safety people in a food production business are normally called the Technical Team often headed by a Technical Manager.  I dont know the reason for this, just that it is the convention (in the UK at least).

In this case, the rougher you make the surface (to reduce slip potential) the harder it will be to clean therefore the more bacteria will potentially grow.  The food safety people (Technical) will not be happy with this as their primary purpose is to reduce the bacteria load in food production environments.  Hence there is a conflict that needs to be resolved.  The food safety requirements will normally trump the occupational safety requirements in food production businesses on the basis that food safety failures can lead to multiple (potentially thousands) incidents whearas occupational safety incidents of this nature would be at most likely be in single figures.

thanks 2 users thanked Holliday42333 for this useful post.
peter gotch on 13/08/2024(UTC), INortonAVI on 14/08/2024(UTC)
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