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RKC7  
#1 Posted : 20 August 2024 07:59:06(UTC)
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RKC7

Hello All.

I have researched this I still have not come to a conclusion, please may you advise your thoughts.

We had a staff member hit the hand into door frame and managed to dislocate one finger. They didn't advise of any pain.

When on the weekend, they had an X Ray after seeing some brusiing, where it was discovered that one finger was disloated, and no other action was required. All has now since been healed and worker took no time of work.

For incident classification is this classed as an MTC?

I note the below from OSHA, but the HSE isn't clear.

No, according to OSHA, X-rays are not considered medical treatment and are therefore not classified as Medical Treatment (MT). OSHA's definition of medical treatment excludes diagnostic procedures, such as X-rays, blood tests, MRIs, and CT scans. Medical treatment is defined as care that goes beyond first aid to address an injury

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 20 August 2024 08:58:27(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

No!

If you look at RIDDOR https://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/reportable-incidents.htm#reportable

There it lists a series of injuries to employees that must be reported. The existence or not of medical treatment  does not feature in this list. It is mentioned in relation to injuries to jo public but the guidance makes it clear that X-ray and other diagnostic procedure do not constitute medical treatment.

Why are you referring to OHSA criteria?

 

RKC7  
#3 Posted : 20 August 2024 09:10:34(UTC)
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RKC7

Thanks A Kurdziel

OSHA appears to be one of the only results that specifically states that X Rays do not class as an MTC.

I was previously informed that under the UK (where we are based) that once any party receives any kind of service or treatment above first aid in such as the Doctors or Hospital setting, then it is to be classed as a medical treatment case. It would be great if under the HSE they stated that diagnostic services such as this is not classed as an MTC.

RKC7  
#4 Posted : 20 August 2024 09:14:59(UTC)
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RKC7

Hi Just to clarify,

I know this is not RIDDOR applicable, this is only for our internal reporting i.e. either FAC or MTC

Kate  
#5 Posted : 20 August 2024 09:51:14(UTC)
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Kate

"I was previously informed that under the UK (where we are based) that once any party receives any kind of service or treatment above first aid in such as the Doctors or Hospital setting, then it is to be classed as a medical treatment case."

I see, in that case you have been misled.  Companies may have this in their internal procedures in which case you may as well follow the OSHA guidelines as they are very comprehensive and something of a global standard.  That is because in the US, unlike the UK, ithis classification has a legal basis.  MTC is not a legally recognised category of injury in the UK and that is why HSE don't care about the definition of it.

thanks 1 user thanked Kate for this useful post.
A Kurdziel on 20/08/2024(UTC)
peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 20 August 2024 10:45:45(UTC)
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peter gotch

RKC

If your internal procedures categorise some events as FACs por MTCs, then it is up to your organisation to decide how to define each.

Possibly your systems are based on a mix of RIDDOR and OSHA requirements - so that in the UK you follow RIDDOR for the purposes of deciding what is reportable or recordable under RIDDOR but ALSO you record other incidents on the basis of other classifications.

Now if those other classifications have been chosen to reflect OSHA recording requirements in the US (or adopted in other geographies eg on the basis of Global Reporting Initiative GRI 403) then it is the source of those requirements which may give you the best clue as to how to distinguish between an FAC and MTC for the simple reason that neither concept is recognised by RIDDOR.

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