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Alfasev  
#1 Posted : 14 February 2019 12:18:50(UTC)
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Alfasev

I been meaning to challenge this paragraph “Once construction starts, the PC is responsible for the site’s safety and health standards but the client retains the duty of ensuring that those standards are maintained throughout the project. In practice this necessitates independent site inspections. If the architects or PC are nominated to the PD role, they still cannot carry out these inspections on the client’s behalf, as the inspector has to be independent of the PD and PC.” from this article   https://www.ioshmagazine.com/article/responsible-client   since I read it, a while back but we are increasingly seeing Clients thinking this is how they comply with the regulations.

To say “In practice this necessitates independent site inspections” in my opinion is wrong and is contradicted by Industry guidance for Clients, published by the CITB and L153 Managing health and safety in construction published by the HSE.

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boblewis  
#2 Posted : 14 February 2019 19:16:10(UTC)
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boblewis

The problem for me is that this stance also portrays a client who has no confidence in the competency of the selected PC.  This could then be read as a breach of the client duty to select competent contractors.  I do know that many former CDM coordinators advertise this service as their work stream has shrunk.

If it is to be done by the client then it MUST be included in the tender documents as it is a priceable item for attendance and response to issues raised.

Woolf13  
#3 Posted : 15 February 2019 13:27:47(UTC)
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Woolf13

Under CDM the client has specific duties including:

  • A client must take reasonable steps to ensure that the PD and PC when appointed complies with their duties under CDM

  • A client must ensure that the arrangements are maintained and reviewed throughout the project

Irrespective of the competencies of the individual duty holders it is about working as a team to ensure safety, health and environmental (SHE) risks are addressed. One way of ensuring this and to comply with their duties is for the client to carry out an inspection of the work (which the client is paying for).

To suggest a client be charged for flagging up issues which the PD or specifically the PC has not addressed through their CPP/RAMS when identified and should be resolving to ensure SHE compliance on the sites/projects the client is paying for is an utter nonsense. Legal requirement trumps contract.

Whomever carries out an inspection also has duties under CDM and if not satisfied that construction work can be carried out safely at the place inspected, to notify the relevant duty holders etc.

Edited by user 15 February 2019 13:29:45(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

Alfasev  
#4 Posted : 15 February 2019 16:03:56(UTC)
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Alfasev

Competence is the first thing that should be checked before any appointment is made. So I would be careful in saying “Irrespective of the competencies of the individual duty holders” as you are already on a route to an accident if they are not competent.  This is where Clients need to resource as appose to carrying out site inspections.  

It is a misinterpretation of the Reg 4 (3) to say that the Client is compelled to carry out site inspections. Reg 4 refers to the client’s own arrangements and not that of the Principal Contractor.

In my mind there are a number of substantial issues with the Clients carrying out inspections:-

  • It is not industry accepted or best practice and therefore not “reasonable steps” that must be taken.
  • These inspections tend to concentrate on risks that any competent Principal Contractor should be well capable of controlling and not significant and usual risks.
  • Let’s not forget a   competent Principal Contractor should be carrying out H&S Inspections themselves under their H&S Management System. So there is duplication.
  • The Client is encroaching into the duties of the PC and taking on some of the liabilities if for whatever reason following a site inspection the Client dictates to or directs the PC what to do.
  • There is a difference of opinion on the working method resulting in conflict.
  • It assumes the inspector is equally as competent as the Principal Contractor’s management team.
  • On a project with catastrophic risks client site inspections are not going to control those risks.
  • Ill-informed Clients believing by just doing this they are CDM compliant.
  • This approached has led to H&S consultants who are not designers acting as PD and carrying out these inspections for Clients. While there is nothing wrong with the standard of the inspections they are silent on the design risks.
  • It is being driven by fee chasing consultants.

There are occasions that Client Inspection are necessary, for example on a live COMAH facility when they hold the competence and control the facility

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 17 February 2019 13:12:12(UTC)
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peter gotch

Nothing new in the Client doing this or getting their Contract Administrator to do it on their behalf via Resident Engineer, Clerk of Works or whatever title.

Just about considering health, safety and environmental compliance as an integral part of the role of checking that a Contractor (and its supply chain) are fulfilling what is contractually asked for.

Happens on all our Contracts whether done by the Contract Administrator (usually a team), by HSE professionals, or a mixture of both.

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