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MrBrightside  
#1 Posted : 16 September 2019 15:20:22(UTC)
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MrBrightside

If you haven't seen NEBOSH are changing the format of the General Certificate. It will now consist of:

  • 1 x written Exam
  • 1 x practical, which is carrying out and writing a risk assessment

They are also dropping the use of 'Command Words'. Its good to see they are finally changing with the times and i'm wondering if this is a direct result of the NCRQ becoming more popular and NEBOSH no longer the one's on the block.

Intresting times (waiting for the cries of 'it was harder in my time')

jwk  
#2 Posted : 16 September 2019 15:26:41(UTC)
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jwk

(i) Describe the way that NEBOSH have used command words in the past.

(ii) Illustrate the pitfalls this can lead to to.

(iii) List the valid complaints people have made on this forum about the use of command words

(iv) Enjoy a drink of your choice!

John

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chris42  
#3 Posted : 16 September 2019 16:18:50(UTC)
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chris42

Ah yes command words. The ones with the same meaning as found in any dictionary, that seem to cause people problems. How dare they consider using words in their questions, what were they thinking. Makes you wonder how they can put a question together without using them?

Q1 What should be covered in a risk assessment (without describing, listing or outlining the process in any way)?  5 marks

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mihai_qa  
#4 Posted : 17 September 2019 05:40:32(UTC)
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mihai_qa

I'm not going to jump on the "they made it too easy" bandwagon, changes are welcomed by most, it was getting too easy to teach/learn "for the exam".

What I really did not like was the multiple choice exam questions for the Nebosh PSM. I do hope this won't turn into a trend, i find these examinations mind numbing. The study material, on the other hand, was great.

Edited by user 17 September 2019 05:57:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

jmaclaughlin  
#5 Posted : 17 September 2019 07:20:16(UTC)
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jmaclaughlin

>i'm wondering if this is a direct result of the NCRQ becoming more popular and NEBOSH no longer the one's on the block.

I not sure this is true in terms of recruitment, all the UK job listings seem to be still looking for Nebosh as a minimum didn't see any accepting NCRQ as an alternative, perhaps in the future?

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 17 September 2019 08:49:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Perhaps I am in the minority but I like the command words. I am something of waffler, I overdo it and tend to go off on tangents. The command words simply tell you which way to go- so “describe how you do a risk assessment”  is different from “discuss how you do a risk assessment”  otherwise you end up writing pages of stuff the examiner might not want to. Working out what the examiner wants is more tricky, as some of the questions setters include secret telepathic instructions, which nobody seems able to receive.

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thunderchild  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2019 11:39:42(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: jmaclaughlin Go to Quoted Post

>i'm wondering if this is a direct result of the NCRQ becoming more popular and NEBOSH no longer the one's on the block.

I not sure this is true in terms of recruitment, all the UK job listings seem to be still looking for Nebosh as a minimum didn't see any accepting NCRQ as an alternative, perhaps in the future?

I would have to disagree, having been in the job market recently more employers are listing the NCRQ as a minimum qualification along side NEBOSH. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that NEBOSH is still the prefered qualification but they will be limiting their candidate field by not accepting NCRQ.

ttxela  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2019 13:20:06(UTC)
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ttxela

It is many many years since I did my general certificate. If I recall correctly the pratical exercise was conducting an inspection.

I did mine by correspondence with the exam and test hosted in a hotel. I recall the practical involved the kitchen and one of the observations was a maintenance engineer pulling a number of dead rats out from a gap between the cold store wall and the kitchen wall and putting them in a bucket.

Immediately prior to the practical we had enjoyed a buffet lunch in the same hotel after the written exam.

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A Kurdziel on 18/09/2019(UTC)
Sweep  
#9 Posted : 24 September 2019 12:32:20(UTC)
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Sweep

The most useful piece of advice I was given was to answer the question and ignore the command word. 

The obvious ones (or so we were taught) were

Give - simply quote

Identify - simple list with one line of narrative

Outline / Describe  / Discuss - never understood the difference and agree with A Kurdziel in as much as these represented a secret language unbeknown to me.  

Sgallacher27  
#10 Posted : 25 September 2019 08:00:34(UTC)
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Sgallacher27

When I was doing my NEBOSH General Certificate, I (like many out there, I assume) hated the command words idea. I found myself having to learn about how to answer a certain question in a certain way, as opposed to just answering the question! NEBOSH exams are still, to this day, the only place I've ever saw command words being used. I have not had to use them in my H&S career (so far!).

I have recently completed the NCRQ Diploma and found it to be brilliant, no timed exams with endless amounts of writing needed and you are given free roam as to how to answer a question. It's no wonder it's became more popular then the NEBOSH Dipoma and I assume this change to the NEBOSH GC has been made as a result of necessity due to the NCRQ competition and not NEBOSH's forward thinking, general desire to improve.

Pikin  
#11 Posted : 25 September 2019 10:27:15(UTC)
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Pikin

It an exciting to go through the NEBOSH published new syllabus for NEBOSH IGC.

For me the new syllabus an on the job training for HSE/Safety officer/personnel. It not only imparts work based knowledge but most importantly it enables the learner to apply the knowledge gained in real time jobs through risk assessment and boost his competency on real time safety jobs  and his confidence as well.

In new syllabus there are only two units. IG1 – Management of health and safety and IG2 – Risk Assessment (practical unit)

First exam on new syllabus will be conducted from Nov 2019.  Old Syllabus Learner’s If you are studying old syllabus, please plan to pass the exams by Mar 2022.  If you don’t pass the exam by March 2022 then you have to study new syllabus after Mar 2022 Remember, you cannot transfer credits earned in old syllabus to new syllabus that is though you have passed one paper in old syllabus example IGC1 and now if you want to study new syllabus you have to start fresh and attempt both units.

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