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Gavin Gibson  
#1 Posted : 13 August 2024 15:15:22(UTC)
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Gavin Gibson

Most RAs list the risk without controls (ie inherent risk) and then with controls, ie residual risk. Why?

If I risk assessed driving a car without controls, eg no brakes, no steering wheel and no indicators, it would always score high risk fatality. Then add the controls and you get a residual score.

Why include this initial ranking? What practical purpose does it solve? The uncontrolled inherent risk is an irrelevancy. What value does this add?

After over 25 years in safety, I have come to the conclusion that it is just a way to make things look more complex.

 

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Yossarian on 13/08/2024(UTC)
peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 13 August 2024 15:21:03(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Gavin

Plenty of postings on these Forums about numeric risk matrices being used for risk assessments.

Personally I am not a fan for multiple reasons including those you have cited.

However the approach is in vogue.

Yossarian  
#3 Posted : 13 August 2024 15:53:01(UTC)
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Yossarian

I think there's a need to show where you've come from, in order to demonstrate continual improvement, but I agree that starting with a 'zero controls in place' is silly. For existing processes there will always be some kind of controls in place, even if on review it needs to be improved or changed.

I take Peter's point about matrix style assessments - but having trained all managers in the format, I think any changes would (in my organisation at least) set back the assessment process several years. But that is an entirely separate discussion.

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Gavin Gibson on 14/08/2024(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 13 August 2024 16:03:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Isn't the first task of the risk assessment to record significant findings? Therefore the second task is documenting the controls for those findings? In designing a car we want it to go, we then realise we would like it to stop. We could disengage the engine and coast to a stop, we could deliberately drive at a static object or we could devise a system to provide a controlled stop. Each achieves the aim of stopping but one is more repeatable and desirable than the others. Conversely the failure mode with faulty brakes is to try and coast and if that is not working to attempt a controlled collision.
Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 13 August 2024 16:03:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Isn't the first task of the risk assessment to record significant findings? Therefore the second task is documenting the controls for those findings? In designing a car we want it to go, we then realise we would like it to stop. We could disengage the engine and coast to a stop, we could deliberately drive at a static object or we could devise a system to provide a controlled stop. Each achieves the aim of stopping but one is more repeatable and desirable than the others. Conversely the failure mode with faulty brakes is to try and coast and if that is not working to attempt a controlled collision.
Kate  
#6 Posted : 13 August 2024 16:35:21(UTC)
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Kate

I agree.  It is just to make it look more technical than it is.

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