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6337sean  
#1 Posted : 24 September 2024 12:08:19(UTC)
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6337sean

Hi all,

I hope this posts gains some clarification on a murky subject - to aid all and clarify. 

I work for a facilities company. We have 8 engineers that all need to be face fitted. I have read and been given alot of conflciting informaton regarding face fitting. All the information can be interpreted in different ways.

I was looking at doing a Fit2 Fit accredited ’Face fit the Tester’ course thinking this would qualify me to teach our workplace engineers how to face fit themselves correctly, with the admin of testing/signing off face fitting annually in house. It apparently doesnt, but merely teaches the course attendee how to carry out a face fit test on someone - not to teach others how to apply there own masks ? 

HSE state that “Fit testing should be conducted by a competent person. Competence can be demonstrated by accreditation under the Fit2Fit RPE Fit Test Providers Accreditation Scheme. This scheme has been developed by the BSIF, together with industry stakeholders, and is supported by HSE. The scheme is not compulsory and employers are free to take other action to comply with the law”.

I have been told by the BSIF that if  i were to become a Fit2Fit Accredited Fit Tester, that would be sufficient for myself to fit test colleagues face fitments. The Fit2Fit Accreditation does not mean you are trained to teach others, it is purely an accreditation for fit testing.

I now interpret this to mean that all tradesmen and engineers need to go on the face fit test course (gain a certificate) in order to ensure they know how to face fit test themselves. It is not realistic for the only face fit tester to go to each job with engineers and ensure they have fit there masks correctly. 

Let me know everybody thoughts on this including your own interpretation ? 

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 24 September 2024 12:18:14(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Fit testing and donning are two separate practices.

We have two trained employees per site where we utilise dust masks and other forms of RPE.

They conduct fit testing for all site users - but not on a shift, daily, or weekly basis.

You seem to be under the impression that each and every time a mask is donned it must be face fit tested - I would be curious to be directed to the legislation that explicity states such.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 24 September 2024 12:18:14(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Fit testing and donning are two separate practices.

We have two trained employees per site where we utilise dust masks and other forms of RPE.

They conduct fit testing for all site users - but not on a shift, daily, or weekly basis.

You seem to be under the impression that each and every time a mask is donned it must be face fit tested - I would be curious to be directed to the legislation that explicity states such.

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6337sean  
#4 Posted : 24 September 2024 12:30:42(UTC)
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6337sean

Hi,

Thanks for your comment. This is the clarification and conversation sort.

No i dont think each time somone dons a mask they should be face fit tested, however those donning masks need to have the appropriate knowledge and training on how to do so properly ? So my question is do they need to be trained themselves of face fit testing in order to get the certifcate to state they know how to wear PPE/RPE correctly ?

As stated I have been told The Fit2Fit Accreditation does not mean you are trained to teach others, it is purely an accreditation for fit testing only.

Please let me know if i am thinking outside the box here...:)

LancBob  
#5 Posted : 24 September 2024 13:51:46(UTC)
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LancBob

I face fit test those who require close fitting RPE to a specific make and model to ensure that it fits, part of that training is to show the indiviudal how to put on the RPE and check that it does not leak i.e. pre use leak check test, which they carry out every time they put on that make and model of RPE.

So while I am trained to face fit test, the wearer is only trained in the pre-use checks and where necessary maintenance but not to check their own fitting using the 3M hood (or similar) or fit others.

Hope this helps,

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GazNicki2504  
#6 Posted : 24 September 2024 14:26:18(UTC)
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GazNicki2504

Exactly as LancBob has said above.

You want a competent person to complete the face fit, and that same competent person can train the user how to wear the FPE, along with associated checks.

You don't want to be leaving the actual face fit to the end user alone.

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6337sean on 24/09/2024(UTC)
6337sean  
#7 Posted : 24 September 2024 14:59:06(UTC)
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6337sean

Hi all,

Thankyou all for clarifying. My understanding is now that for a company to be compliant the Fit2Fit Accredited Fit Tester course will enable the course attendee to be the competent person to face fit engineers/construction workers within the company. Training can also be given to the user on how to wear the FPE properly along with the associate checks. Once test is conducted the engineer/construction worker will then receive a copy of the fit testers report from the tester. 

This can be done annually. 

What cant be done is the attempting to train engineers/construction workers to on how to perform the fitting tests on themselves using the 3M hood, sprays etc. 

SHOUT IF THE ABOVE IS WRONG ! Thankyou all once again. These are truely useful forums.

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 24 September 2024 15:01:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: 6337sean Go to Quoted Post
I have been told The Fit2Fit Accreditation does not mean you are trained to teach others, it is purely an accreditation for fit testing only.

There is nothing requiring a certificate or otherwise to "train" employees how to don RPE so we come back to "suitable competence" to provide training.

When we switched RPE we had the manufacturers representative provide instruction to the workforce.

Subsequent new starters were then guided by our site face fit testers.

Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 24 September 2024 15:01:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: 6337sean Go to Quoted Post
I have been told The Fit2Fit Accreditation does not mean you are trained to teach others, it is purely an accreditation for fit testing only.

There is nothing requiring a certificate or otherwise to "train" employees how to don RPE so we come back to "suitable competence" to provide training.

When we switched RPE we had the manufacturers representative provide instruction to the workforce.

Subsequent new starters were then guided by our site face fit testers.

Kate  
#10 Posted : 24 September 2024 15:05:41(UTC)
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Kate

Well, an essential part of doing a face fit test is to get the user to put the mask on correctly.  So if you are able to do the face fit test, as part of that you are able to show them how to put it on.  Otherwise you shouldn't consider yourself able to do the test!

You will learn about this during the training, but if you find yourself having to test a different model of mask than what you learn with, you may need to update your knowledge so that you can show the user what to do with all the straps and what have you.  A convenient way of doing this is to look at the how-to videos that manufacturers of RPE publish (well, 3M do, anyway).  These show how to put on this model of mask correctly, rather than how to face fit test.  You could also use these in your face fit sessions.

Perhaps the confusion is that what the training provider may mean is that this training doesn't qualify you to train other people to do face fit tests?  That would indeed be a higher level of training, which the trainer delivering your course would be expected to have.

People are not supposed to do their own face fit tests.  What they are supposed to do is a check after they have put the thing on, which is a much simpler and quicker thing to do and doesn't require any specialist equipment (which face fit testing does require).

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6337sean on 24/09/2024(UTC)
KaranIOSH  
#11 Posted : 24 September 2024 19:05:20(UTC)
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KaranIOSH

In Construction a experienced Supervisor would normally deal with this issue, normally during the Tool Box Talk or Site Induction, No Legal Requirment to have everyone trained in a FIT2FIT Course. Hope this helps :)

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