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#1 Posted : 23 November 2004 13:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Ffitch It seems that "chartered" status is the next badge to wear across the whole industry, and there may be lessons to be learnt from SocEnv and the administration of the Chartered Environmentalist badge. I have about 10 years in the environmental sector and now have a strategic corporal role in a large multinational chemical company. I applied through the IEMA 'grandparent' rights, which consists of three questions, submit your CV and £50. My application has been deferred (rejected) on the basis of two of the three questions. Having reread the questions I don't feel I could answer them any differently. Somewhat perplexed I rang IEMA who told me that lot's of candidates were deferred. My immediate reaction was that this has become like a NEBOSH question. It is not what you say that is important, but your answer must coincide with the standard marking sheet. This seems ridiculous at this level. I would be interested to hear from anyone else who has had experience of this, but also I'd like to flag a warning to IOSH that when they get to this point they should focus on the end goal, and not get waylaid by the bureaucracy. Is it worth my time to rewrite the answers, or should I give two fingers to "chartered" status?
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#2 Posted : 23 November 2004 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith32 2 fingers 'Chartered' status is just another scam by IOSH to move the goal posts (yet again) and to get more money out of us for the so called 'kudos' of being Chartered. When I started in H&S about 8yrs ago, the Diploma was then changing to the now (also) discredited Pt1 and Pt 2 Diploma. Luckily I don't have to bother with whatever is following the Pt1 & Pt2 Diploma as I got my MIOSH (i.e. better job options, ticket) this year via a different route. If Chartered is going to add at least £10k to a salary I might consider it, other wise if it has no effect on salaries, what's the point other than the smug satisfcation for those who do it. It pounds in the bank that count, not letters after your name.
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#3 Posted : 23 November 2004 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Martin, Thanks for you input on this issue it is useful to have feedback from people who have actually undertaken things themselves. This question about open exams is one we have considered in some depth. Where the IOSH scheme will differ from IEMA is that potential members will have to opportunity to discuss the answers to the open exam with a peer review panel. It will this group who make the recommendation regarding membership not just the exam results so full feed back will be avasilable.
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#4 Posted : 24 November 2004 08:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer Martin Chartered status is important for a number of reasons. I am a Fellow of the Intitution of Engineers Australia and A Fellow of Institute of Marine Engineering Science and Technology. That said, these are not titles of proficiency in the science of engineering they are awarded because of one’s prominence in the profession. Chartered on the other hand is a mark of proficiency as an engineer/technologist or scientist and it is the one that marks one in the profession. Years ago the title MIEAust was the ticket into the job. But both institutions that I belong to have recognised that professional standing is not merely by gaining membership as it used to be, for instance in this case of MIOSH. This has now changed and society is demanding professional competency not merely membership. Hence, my advise would be to progress with your membership. I am aware that IEMA have pretty high standards and a science degree is nominally the start point. Not having a degree in these institutions – such as engineers and scientists have is a distinct disadvantage for one seeking professional recognition of proficiency in the science and I know there is a grandfather route in IMarEST (UK) but it is jolly hard to progress as one is subject to examination at B.Sc Hons standard or its equivalent. Regards Richard M. Environmental Science
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#5 Posted : 25 November 2004 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Ffitch Richard/Hazel, I think that you both misunderstand. The IEMA process of 'Grandparenting' rights from Member level to Chartered level is not an examination as such but 3 x 100 word statements. My colleague summed it up as " a tie-break question". I have a B.Eng (Hons), Masters degree, full membership of IEMA for several years, and 10 years high quality experience of environmental management in the Chemical industry. Not to mention corporate membership of IOSH and related qualifications. There must of course be high standards. It is simply the process of determining the standards that is worrying me. Martin PS - Whilst I'm here, Is anyone interested in employing me?????
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#6 Posted : 26 November 2004 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Martin. With your level of qualifications, how did you fail to answer the questions correctly? As someone who has this level of prior qualification, I would have thought you were pretty astute at taking questions apart to discern what was actually being asked for...or was it case that you did this, but the peer review panel was not actually aware what is was asking for!! What were the questions? Stuart
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#7 Posted : 26 November 2004 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ciaran McAleenan Stuart You can access the questions and selection criteria here; http://www.ice.org.uk/do...ads//ICE2170_CEnv_Gn.doc Regards Ciaran
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#8 Posted : 26 November 2004 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Ffitch Thanks Ciaran, That is very interesting. The guidance document from IEMA is pathetic in comparison. I wonder why there wasn't common guidance from all the constituent organisations in Soc Env????? Martin
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#9 Posted : 26 November 2004 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad I may be way off the mark here, but as I understand it all FIOSH, RSP and MIOSH, RSP as well as all FIOSH and MIOSH who have completed a 2 year CPD cycle will automatically transfer to CFIOSH and CMIOSH respectively. This is the "grandfather" route as I see it. No mention is made anywhere of application, interview panel, open book exams etc. for this transfer for people who are able to follow this "grandfather" route to chartered status. Please correct me if I am wrong. Hazel??
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#10 Posted : 26 November 2004 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Fats, You are correct, the open exam forms part of the IPD process for those joining IOSH after July 1st next year. Current members are covered by the CPD requirements.
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#11 Posted : 26 November 2004 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Thank goodness for that!!! Thanks for the confirmation Hazel.
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