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#1 Posted : 21 March 2005 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlanPB I worked in Health and Safety for 3 years until January 2004, when I accepted the role of Operations Manager. I had no formal qualifications in Health and Safety. I am now keen to get back into Health and Safety and am considering studying for the BSC Diploma in Safety Management as well as a number of other courses. I will be funding this myself at considerable cost, and giving up a highly paid job to do it. Once qualified I would like to become a SAfety Consultant, preferably starting my own consultancy business in the Merseyside/ Cheshire area. Are these qualifications enough to get a start in consultancy? Will I need a certain amount of years in the field post-qualification before I can go into consultancy? Are there any other means of getting into this field? Are there any Safety Consultants in the Merseyside area willing to employ me whilst I train and become qualified (which should be by the end of the year) and then potentially on a permanent contract? Any advice would be appreciated.
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#2 Posted : 21 March 2005 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Mackessack Hi Alan, Having never been a consultant, in the sense to which you are referring, I can add little. However, in terms of qualifications, are you sure that the BSC DipSM is the best way to go? It is a worthy qualification but many moons ago, I discounted it as I felt it would leave me up a dead-end, development-wise, as well as not fulfilling the requirements of MIOSH. The DipSM (rightly or wrongly) lacks kudos in some people's eyes and this may get in the way when you try to sell your consultancy services. It's a fickle world. I hope you get off to the best start - good luck! John
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#3 Posted : 21 March 2005 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ralph Baqar What areas do you intend to specialise in? Or are you going to work in all health and safety fields? Certainly my view is that you need to have a certain level of experience to deem to be a consultant and be able to advise accordingly. You need to be aware that you may come into contact with other professionals who could have significant experience and qualifications. I had an example of this last week: - a well known organisation had sent a ‘consultant’ to one of my construction sites based in a city centre location. This chap toured the project with two of our site managers and several items of progress were pointed out to this person by our staff. This ‘consultant’ then decided to beef-up his report and incorporate items that were pointed out to him and were actioned before he produced his ‘safety report’. The report was sent to one of our clients (the MD) who, was horrified that not one positive aspect was written within this report. The reason he was horrified was that the site has just won a national safety award and we had invited out client to the event in London. I met the ‘consultant’ the following week to find that he had less than 3years in the field, very little practical knowledge of CDM/major construction and was not a corporate member of IOSH. His services were costing one of our clients a small fortune and for what? My view is that you should speak to someone at IOSH and ask them as to what level of experience and qualifications you require to justify labelling yourself with the term ‘consultant’.
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#4 Posted : 22 March 2005 08:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger Ralph You highlight an issue that occurs far too often in my experience - I get a lot of work due to the poor standards of previous so called 'consultants'. It would appear that you need to have 'words' with the organisation that sent the 'consultant' as you appear to have done what they should have done - find out his credentials, or in this case, the lack of. For myself - I have one years experience multiplied by 22, NEBOSH Cert, NEBOSH Dip, NVQ4 & MSc resulting in MIOSH,RSP. Work experience construction and engineering with a global organisation - now a very busy consultant indeed. Not sure if my experience and qualifications are OTT or what, but I do feel confident that I'm doing a good job and not leaving situations like you highlight. However, I do know a colleague of mine who is also a 'consultant' and he doesn't even have the NEBOSH Cert - this person however has lost a bit of credibility in that he recently had a sales drive on a new (2004 build) industrial estate telling the occupiers that they all must have asbestos surveys..... Now I wonder why he didn't have any takers? Regards Roger
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#5 Posted : 22 March 2005 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Manion Have had similar experiences. Client in trouble and you have to rescue them bring them up to speed. Last week met contractor who had been sold a policy in last 18 months this referred to MHSWR 1992 RIDDOR 1985 PUWER 1992 etc etc, the organisation / person said there were consultants, there was no mention of their qualifications. I work as consultant and work in demolition / construction / office / asbestos areas and have qualifications and experience and am still learning (not just for CPD). It takes time and effort and to achieve being a consultant I consider myself as an adviser and some do consult with me, as I have experience some answers are easy and obvious to me. Have worked hard at this and continue to work hard at this. Keep learning and reviewing and learning and reviewing, know your limitations and then learn and review. Jeff Manion
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#6 Posted : 22 March 2005 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlanPB Thanks for the info everyone. I agree with you all. There is no excuse for safety professionals to use incorrect or out of date legislation, codes of practice or even guidance. That goes without saying. I possibly should have made myself a little bit clearer. I am looking to get qualified, gain experience as a safety practicioner for a few years and then go into consultancy. Never would I have wlaked straight into it from the classroom. In effect I've been out of the safety profession for 18 months and am now rusty as hell and would never even think of classifying myself as a safety "professional", even if I was to go back into safety management. All I'm looking for is a way to get to where I want to be - a consultant. I know I would do it out of enjoyment for the job - I don't think I'd get a £40k job in safety as I have in my current role!!!
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