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#1 Posted : 24 September 2005 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Having posted my details several times looking for a position in the North West, I am unsure as to the value of agencies. Whilst one or two to thier credit have offered good advice, put me forward for relevant jobs and informed me of progress - others just badger with - we've got this and that on the books - put you forward for all sorts and bang off your CV and you NEVER get to hear whats happening leaving you totally confused. When others then ask you what you have been put in for - you havnt a clue. Writing this has clarified my mind a bit though - obviously I should stick with the ones who appear reliable and helpful. Or as other say in thier post - NO agencies. It would assist all us job seekers if the agencies could e-mail a confirmation of application for posts and PLEASE inform us of progress - If we didnt get put forward for the post TELL US.. were big boys ( and girls) now ... we can take it honest. By the way - I am still looking for posts in the North West /Wales areas - MIOSH RSP 11 years experience....etc etc ...agencies be careful!! Paul
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#2 Posted : 24 September 2005 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barbaros Ertergral I have some small experience in health and safety matters but am trying to improve myself and have attempted to use recruitment agencies to help me to find acceptable positions; but with no success. They will all take your information, including desired pay scales, and then swallow that information. I have been advised informally more than once that my competence level is in the range being sought by many employers [I am at NVQ 3] and that my flexibility in location [I will travel to, or live in any part of UK] is "a major assett" but either I must reconsider the pay that I wish to receive or should find alternative routes of finding jobs. I have come to believe that most recruitment agencies, or possibly the employers that they serve, are not really interested in my needs or what I might be able to offer; simply in getting a post filled at the cheapest possible price. Can anyone tell me how much a recruitment agent takes for filling an employer vacancy? Barbaros
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#3 Posted : 24 September 2005 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC It is usually negotiable, but I am told that they can ask upwards of 10% of your first year’s salary, but you must usually stay in that position for at least 3 months.
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#4 Posted : 24 September 2005 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC ........ and another thing they do - is phone you after you find your own job to see if your still available.
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#5 Posted : 25 September 2005 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Matthews I have had considerable experience of agencies within the past 2 to 3 months, and have found that although very pleasant, you recieve call after call asking if you are still available, told were putting you forward for a position right up your street with an undisclosed company that will loooove your cv, blah blah blah, then you spend the 6 weeks phoning them for progress updates to no avail. One agency actually stated that an interview would be arranged for the following week, 2 weeks later when I contacted them having had heard nothing, I was informed that I would hear by the 15th, still not heard from them.... dont expect I will. Affraid I find agencies a total and complete waste of time...
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#6 Posted : 26 September 2005 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Recruitment Agencies are just like H&S proffesionals IMHO, you get the good, the bad and the indifferent. I have used agencies for that last my last 2 jobs and found them to be spot-on. Its just a case of finding the right one. You also need to be totally upfront with them, this way a good agency will match you and a protential employer quite well. If you deal with an agency and they put rubbish in front of you, don't use them again. Remember, its not just one way, you have a lot to sell to prospective employers. Paul
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#7 Posted : 26 September 2005 12:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville When I originally used the agencies, I too found them to be a complete waste of Oxygen and they failed to communicate with their charges, apart from the odd time. Obviously they are not meant to run like that but the truth is that they do, generally! Makes you wonder what they do with your CV. A recommendation would be to go down the speculative route of finding the H&S job and ring up companies (large enough to sustain a H&S post)to ask. Either that or mail drop them your CV with the accompanying letter. Yes, I too am currently looking for a H&S position, whilst currently serving out a month of redundancy notice. Will let you know what happens in the future. Neville
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#8 Posted : 26 September 2005 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Faye Stacey As a recruitment consultant within the Health & Safety / Engineering sector I felt I must respond. I do agree with previous posts, there are bad agencies but there are good ones too. I work for one of the good ones (I would say that wouldn't I). You should use an agency that is a member of the REC (like abta is to travel agents, REC is to recruitment!!) and as such they should adhere to the REC Code of Good Conduct. I have a background in SHEQ from the Rail Industry and this has given me a better understanding than alot of other agencies of what my clients look for. I also take the time to find out what H&S professionals look for in thier next move and try to find a good match. Please don't judge us all from a few bad experiences, just don't deal with those agencies again. There are good agencies out there - I promise. Faye
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#9 Posted : 26 September 2005 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville Nice one Faye, my experience was 0 out of 12 agencies, but I take your point! I'll put you to the test to place some faith in the system. There are two weeks left of a redundancy notice to serve and then I will require a post in H&S. I can furnish you with an up to date CV and any other pre-requisites. Shall I e-mail you direct? Neville
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#10 Posted : 26 September 2005 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Blanchard I have some experience of using the recruitment agencies. I agree with Paul Oliver there are some very good ones, some in between and others less than satisfactory. Those, which advertise in the Practitioner and Safety Manager tend to be at the better end of the spectrum. For instance there is a small agency, with an office in the south and another in NW England for whom I have nothing but the highest praise. In the larger agencies a lot seems to depend upon whom you deal with. Some of their consultants have a genuine interest in candidates, with others only being interested in how quickly they can earn the finder's fees. Some have a tendency to use this forum to "recruit" candidates, make attractive promises but generally fail to deliver! At the end of the day it is a question of knowing your agent and sticking with a good one.
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#11 Posted : 26 September 2005 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Faye Stacey Thanks Neville. Please feel free to email me direct. My address is faye.stacey@syntaxtech.com Thanks again Faye
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#12 Posted : 26 September 2005 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Interesting so far - some for some against - but general concensus -theres some dubious ones out there, . The small agency -if its the one I am thinking of who are keen to help you, I also have had good experienced of - but no job sadly. One other agency who worked hard and actually found me a job - which unfortunatly I had to turn down at the time (-I had landed a contract I couldnt refuse -whilst this is still a good contract it hasnt worked out as big as I thought, ah regrets regrets..) was also quite good -as stated a couple in the practitioner seen spot proffessionally on but jobs seem to be all down south. But others quite a number as previously pointed out are after a quick chat get you to accept them to represent you and then ah well you know the rest... Faye - some good advice .. not tried yourself yet... I wonder.....? Paul Paul
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#13 Posted : 27 September 2005 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M I have been emailed a job offer today from an agency that I have never heard of or applied to for any post. Needlees to say I don't know where they got my 'out of date' CV from or my email address. I am just the man they are looking for? Strange!!!!!!!!
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#14 Posted : 04 October 2005 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Josephine2 I agree with Faye - must of us poor maligned recruiters are genuinely trying to do a good job, but (just as in H&S...) a few bad apples can spoil it for everyone. I know it is frustrating to receive pointless calls and never hear anything back, and to be told you've been put forward for a job by an agency you've never heard of, although I never do that (honestly!). That sort of thing does tend to happen in the larger agencies, like Edward says. To be frank though - some of you don't really help yourselves - some classic comments I've heard from people lately who have applied via our website for specific jobs include "oh, did I apply for that - that must be the 100th application I sent off last night" or "well, I know my CV is 4 years out of date, but hey, who ever checks their CV when they send it off?" Hardly guaranteed to inspire a humble recruiter to waste time going any further with their applications, is it? At the end of the day, most of us are just normal people - if you treat us with honesty and respect, you're more likely to get the same in return.
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#15 Posted : 04 October 2005 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Jones James, Well that's a new one getting a job OFFER without having spoken to the agency or attending an interview!!!
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#16 Posted : 05 October 2005 08:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Butler The dealings i have had with recruitment agencies in the past have been very good. Apart from the office juniors asking you a 1000 questions occasionally they do seem to do a very good job. If the CV is right, the jobs willl come - review the format of your CV, it does work. Steve B
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#17 Posted : 05 October 2005 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee I would have to agree wholeheartedly with Steve B as someone who is on both sides of the fence - i.e. using agencies for my own employment but also using agencies for positions within our Company. The CV is the key. You have to make yours leap out against the hundreds of others that the agencies deal with just as you would if you were applying directly to a Company for a job. You also have to keep in constant communication with them. Yes you will get those who say I'll put you forward for this, this and this and you never hear hide nor hair of them again but I have generally found you will find one or two who are worth sticking with. Depends type of agencies you are dealing with - specialist H&S or local ones, the last position I found that I am currently in came through a local engineering agency, just because they don't advertise themselves as H&S recruiters doesn't mean they don't have positions. I would also say in the agencies defence that it can be a nightmare getting a response from a Client as to what is happening with a position so they may be telling you the truth when they say they haven't heard anything back - I admit I am guilty as charged for doing that! Dee
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#18 Posted : 05 October 2005 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By JOHN LEES As one who has just gone through job hunting process over the past few months I tend to agree with most of the comments. I did however send my CV off for "expert advice". This i got, the CV was ripped apart, but it could be corrected for only £200. This opportunity was passed over and I posted my CV on several job sites anyway. the best I found for responses was www.jobsite.co.uk. What i did find though that it helps if you can be flexible with salary and/or location and adapt you CV for each job, it's extra work but well worth it. I found that feedback was lacking somewhat with the agencies, but then the only good one is the one that gets you the job. I got 2 interviews, one via the local newspaper and one via an agency. I got the job through the latter. It is also clear in some cases that the agencies haven't a clue what qualification or proffessional membership they need to look for. I saw a job that wanted someone that was a member of NEBOSH and or COSHH ......
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