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#1 Posted : 27 September 2005 12:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham You've stayed awake through the bit where they tell you how great the company is how big they are and brightly the sun shines out their..... Then they quiz you, use the Psychology that they have leaned the week before at an HR training course, a bit contrived, wooly, needs perfecting, but you clock onto it and give them the answer they are looking for, you know the one from the text book that you've both read. They may even throw in a couple of testers about legislation, usually Management regs or HASAWA nothing to specific I'm assuming to establish that you know what your talking about Then they ask... 'Do you have any questions for us?', wearing a smug grin expecting you to clam up. You then ask them the text book questions and they give you the text book answers but...... that's when you have the interview with the HR person who could bearly get the job description right. What should you ask the H&S professional who is interviewing you?
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#2 Posted : 27 September 2005 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight When I've been interviewed by H&S professionals I've asked: How does H&S fit into operations at a management level? Would I be exepected to compile risk assessments myself or will I be guiding others? What training and development opportunities will there be for me? What's the training strategy for other employees vis a vis H&S? Of course, it depends what they tell you in the jd and information and so on. But always ask questions about how H&S is managed in the organisation if you get a chance, and ask about individual responsibilities throughout, John
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#3 Posted : 27 September 2005 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville If the push comes to the shove and you dry up for questions, always but always, ask them about how the pension scheme works. I have never failed to put them on a back foot at interview, whether it be H&S or H&R personnel. It changes the balance and makes them realise that they haven't done enough prior to interviewing you. Quite frankly, most just don't have a clue how it operates or have come ill prepared to answer the basics. Never once have I had a satisfactory answer to the question and yet it is all part and parcel of the package of employment. More so nowadays! The other one is to have some abreviations in your armoury! I remeber one chap throwing an abreviation at me, which I explaned I wasn't familiar with and passed one back his way, stating that I actually carried out more of that particular research. (DVT) He didn't have much of a clue either. (duece)
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#4 Posted : 27 September 2005 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Taylor14 Ive always asked about budget responsibilities and what amount the company spends specifically on safety PT
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#5 Posted : 27 September 2005 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Watson A good question imho is "will I have any real power to change and influence" Too many people I come across feel hamstrung by having to refer every thing they want to do to some seemingly higher power who co-incidentally know next to nothing about H&S
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#6 Posted : 27 September 2005 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Stewart Neville I have to disgree with you interview tips. My own person experience and everything I have read on the subject suggests that Jargon should be avoided during an interview (unless absolutely essential or commonly used (ie NEBOSH, COSHH, CDM, etc)) and the focus of your questioning should be on the job, the company and where you would fit in. Asking questions about Pensions, etc is a mistake after all how many people (especially those some way off retirement) know anything but the basic details on their pension. Asking about a pension in the interview suggests that you do not have any questions relevent to the discussion and the you purely see the role as a means of earning a living. The key to good interview performance is not going in with either a defensive or overly aggressive attitude. An interview is a discussion to see if there is a fit between two parties it is not a power struggle. Richard
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#7 Posted : 27 September 2005 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville Richard, Thank you for the response to my lighthearted approach to interviews. Interviews are, on balance, there to illicit information from you, the interviewee. (The idea being that you chat for approx 75% of time and the interviewers 25%). This is a way of getting to know you and freeing you up to talk about your favourite subject, You! If the interviewee gets tied up in jargon, from the interviewer, it may serve to put the interviewee ill at ease. The idea is to get a freeflow of information that will be of use to the company involved, not to put one over on the candidate. I have been on both sides of the interview room over the years and the pension scenario is not particularly delving into the aspect of, "how much do you pay?". Morelike, do I want to work for this company if they are not taking care of the essentials? You are entitled to your opinion but this subject is indeed, very subjective! I have actually done a six week recruiting course and attended many interviews. This does not make me the expert. No matter how well the interview and presentation goes for you, even when you are the best candidate, the local authorities have neputism in operation. In other words, they like their in-house candidates. I got Lancs County Council to admit to me that 43% of jobs advertised actually go 'in house'. I have been a part of the pantomime charachters also, lining up in a suit, after having taken time off work to attend the interview. Awful when they know who has got the job before you even submit your paperwork. All part of the farcicle process! You will also find that many of the interview panel will actually ask you a closed question, which makes you smile. You will find many of them inept at the job, but you have to pander to them at the interview, because you want the job and they are in control of who gets it. We'll agree to disagree Richard Regards, Neville PS. I agree with the comment on spell checker on this site!
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#8 Posted : 28 September 2005 08:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Neville, totally agree, I recently saw a job for a LA Health and Safety Advisor in SHP, looked good decent salary, I heard there was an internal candidate so didn't apply, bet you cannot guess who got the job, yep the internal candidate, probably after wasting everyones time effort and energy applying preparing and travelling for the interview.
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#9 Posted : 28 September 2005 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter S ITK,would you care to elaborate on the LA (North or South)as I applied for a job recently and got the impression later that it may have gone internally. Cheers
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#10 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Yorkshire
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#11 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Doesn't that always happen in LA!!!!!! My wife went for a job at a LA for a senior position and guess what, they gave it internally and then had to advertise for the postion of the person who got "promoted". Is it me our is that a waste of time money and effort!!! Sorry its got nothing to do with the initial thread.
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#12 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter S Not the same one, maybe I was just c--p !!
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#13 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Steven, I suspect it has something to do with employment law, in that LA's have to be seen to be whiter than white, so jobs have to be advertised externally even though they nearly always go to internal candidates.
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#14 Posted : 29 September 2005 09:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham Money talks as far as im concerned I know that you get good holidays benifits etc. but you can get that from else where as well if you look had enough. I don't think I would ever got to a LA (never say never though) at the end of the day i have never been impressed with the money offered by the LA's, although it does depend on which department, planning and development or land services departments are better paid and you will get better experience from them, also you more likley to get in from the outside because it's more specilist that the run of the mill stuff. That's my experience from north of the border, just to let you know it's no different up here
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#15 Posted : 29 September 2005 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zyggy Turek I never thought that I would work for an LA for all the reasons given previously, but now find myself entering my 11th year! I have applied for two positions (both with internal candidates)in two LA's & was offered both - so there is hope for you! The benefits have already been discussed, pension, flexible working, etc. & yes, sometimes the pay can be low, although in my position I have no complaints. My work is very varied, from cradle to grave, but my greatest satisfaction is having the pleasure to manage a highly competent & professional team & meeting other LA colleagues who have a wealth of knowledge & experience.
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#16 Posted : 29 September 2005 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Zyggy, I work for a LA too and agree entirely with what you say. The money might not be the best in the land but flexible working, generous holidays, pension, reduced gym membership and a short drive to work are all plus points in my book! And yes I was an external candidate.
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