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Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
There appears to be many H & S career opportunities posted on these forums for consultants with qualifications coming out of their ears! In the job description it states that part of the role will be to train others. Whilst they have knowledge of the H & S subject itself, have they knowledge of how to specifically 'train' that subject? Just because that person has the knowledge, may not mean they specifically have the ability to 'impart that knowledge' in a meaningful, understandable manner. How many times have we attended courses, and been bored rigid!... worse still... learnt nothing! Yet a simple 'Train the Trainer' programme can eliminate these issues. Would welcome any views! e.mail me at gary@imduk.com
Take care!
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Posted By Mark Bywater
Gary,
I agree with your point...there are many valued and extremely knowledgeable h&s people out in the workplace but only a few with the ability to train.
I myself have just attained the licence to deliver the Working Safely package and have self funded the CIEH Professional Trainers Certificate to back this up. It certainly opened my eyes and made me look differently at who I was training and how I was doing it.
I think that if someone is going to train others then there must be something other than h&s qualifications to be able to do it competently.
There it is again, our old friend "competence".
Regards,
Mark
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Posted By Paul Price
I am qualified to deliver manual handling training .Because it is a hands on training session where everyone gets involved I have not heard of anybody getting bored in my training sessions . However I do try to make learning fun in what is such a serious subject. I must be doing something right as we have had no MH injuries in the 5 years I have been delivering this training.
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Posted By colin
I have the Nebosh cert and the city & guilds 7302 trainers cert but no experience of teaching or hands on Health and safety
which is worse....
no experience but qualified or unqualified but experienced ?
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Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
Interesting one Colin!
Open heart surgery!.. who would you be happier with? A Surgeon who had qualified but had never performed an operation, or one that has performed 100's of operations, but never passed an exam!
On the flip side.. And certainly in my opinion, 'Qualifications' are an indication of competency, rather than someone being proficient!
This situation arises in all industries I believe. The Current Newcastle FC Caretaker Manager, can only stay in his position until the end of April, due to a 'Qualification' that the governing body stipulated! Despite the fact that he has managed before and has been involved in Professional football for 35 years! Interesting!
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Posted By Tony Brunskill
Why are we all so hung up on bits of paper. In my carrer I have attended courses that "train the trainer" and those that qualify to "supervise the trainer" and "Advanced training methods" but the best trainer I ever saw in action was a young corporal in the Royal Signals who taught us radio procedure. He had never received any "trainer" training but was universally acclaimed by the students he taught. Stop nannying and let the market decide.
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Posted By Tony Brunskill
Gary,
Do IMDUK run train the trainer courses by any chance?
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Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
Hi Tony,
I could not agree with you more! We do seem to be 'hung up' on bits of paper, red tape, politics, etc. But we have bred the animal! You only have to look at some of the career opportunities on this forum alone.. Must hold, Diploma XYZ, 5 years experience, etc etc. Yet I know of many, many people who hold a prolific amount of qualifications, yet are just not blessed with communication, social or 'common sense' skills! I would still concur that there are many 'Naturals' out there, like the trainer in your army days, but again would still say there are many more 'Un-naturals' for want of a better word!
It's about the results of the training at the end of the day isn't it? What have they actually taken away with them, to put into practice?
Take care!
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Posted By PAUL UNWIN
Gary,
My experience in training is to train by example, keep it simple with a touch of humour. It works!
Everyone remembers a good joke.
Paul
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