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#1 Posted : 24 March 2006 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gareth W Jones Can anyone help, I am looking for basic instructions/guidance on the use of company phones by a small number of managers when they are on the shop floor, we have asked that all other employees do not use personal mobile phones on the shopfloor because of the risk from machinery/distraction plus forklifts, this has then brought the issue of managers using company phones whilst walking around the shop floor, the managers would not be working on machinery but the danger from forklifts is still there, I would hope to reduce this risk by guidance /training for these managers. Any help would be appreciated.
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#2 Posted : 24 March 2006 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price Typical one rule for one set of employees and one set for another .I have been in this situation however ,because I identified a risk from FLTs and the lack of concentration when using a mobile I was able to stop this unsafe practice by quoting HASW section 7 ie.take reasonable care for his safety. Give it a shot difficult i know but you should see the damage a fork lift truck can do!!!
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#3 Posted : 24 March 2006 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp I agree with previous posting. You must make rules for everyone to follow regardless of their status. One method of controlling the use of mobile phones on the shop floor is to request that those people who wish to use them do in a safe and designated area, that may be an office, outside or anywhere else that is deemed safe. Ray
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#4 Posted : 25 March 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Whitelegg I'd agree with both replies above. Managers are sometimes the worse people for complying with safety regulations as they think they are somehow exempt or "too important" to follow the rules. If it is considered too dangerous to allow "shop floor workers" to use mobiles on the shop floor then it must also be the same for everyone. You may want to consider putting in safe zones so people can use phones in clearly marked, possibly protected areas. Also consider; has the rule been brought in under safety because it gets less argument than if brought in because it is felt people are not working if they are using personal mobile phones during work time? Good luck. avid
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#5 Posted : 26 March 2006 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I disagree with all previous replies. 1. Employees on production/assembly lines should NOT be allowed to use/reply to personal mobiles. It is too distracting and dangerous. I had one injury because the call related to a family crisis and the employee was distracted from his work. If that called had been relayed by a supervisor then the supervisor would have been able to ask "everything OK ?" 2. Use of mobiles by supervisors and managers is now very common and, if trained, they are properly conscient of the risks associated with stopping in the middle of a fork-lift-truck run to answer the phone. When apprised of the risks they learn what to do. As do you when your mobile rings while you are driving at 100 mph down the M1. So, my advice is ; mobiles for employees ? NO ! Mobiles for supervisors ? OK with sensibilisation Merv
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#6 Posted : 26 March 2006 22:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smurfer sensibilisation? you've been in france too long, Merv ;-)
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#7 Posted : 27 March 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB I agree with Merv. Line operators (for want of a better term) do not usually need mobile phones to carry out their normal duties, but for many operations the managers need to be contactable, and mobile phones are a critical form of commuinication. From a safety perspective, the managers are less likely to be working in as hazardous areas, or carryiung out hazardous operations as the line employee. Obviously, the situation needs to be assessed to confirm this. There is a suitable safety and productivity argument about line employees using mobiles - distracts them from awareness of hazards, and distracts them from their work, which costs money. As I said, for most managers the hazards are not the same, and the mobile is an essential tool for getting the work done. It's all necessity and risk based. One rule for all should not apply if there is such a case for management.
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#8 Posted : 27 March 2006 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price I am sorry but I disagree with the last two posts.Look at the statistics for RTAs where the absence of due care and attention while using a mobile phone has caused an accident.The workplace environement should be safe for ALL not just a select band .If people need to be contacted surely there would be a land line in that department we have and a tannoy system.
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#9 Posted : 27 March 2006 17:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB No. I disagree with you. Work environments are varied. It does not always involve a construction site or a factory line. As I said, the environment needs to be assessed, but if it is safe for the manager to use a mobile phone, then it is safe to use one. As I said, the risks are going to be different to a person performing a task to the risks posed to the manager. There is a productivity and safety issue involved. The box is bigger than the blanket "one rule fits all" ethos - unfortunately, that line of thought does not reflect in productivity and efficiency, but only if it assessed as safe for a manager to use a phone. To ban a manager from using a mobile (for work purposes only) because there is a ban on the line employees using them is short sighted, unprofessional and ludicrous. Assess the situation from the risk perpective, and then from productivity perspective. That's a risk assessment that will benefit the business.
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#10 Posted : 28 March 2006 07:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price As I said in my earlier post I identified a risk so acted upon it . How can you teach concentration? Granted managers /supervisors may need to be contacted but phones have voice mail etc. What did we do before the advent of mobile phones?
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#11 Posted : 28 March 2006 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB Paul, OK. I did generalise there and did not match my argument with the original post and the risks posed by FLT (as was clearly pointed out in the orignial post). My apologies. However, I still stand by my statement. Assess the risk. If there is a real risk of injury to a manager or to others from using a mobile phone, then they should be banned. But my reading of the original post was that a ban on managers was suggested because there was a ban on the employees - this is impracticable and unreasonable. Banning on the genuine concern of safety is a different matter....
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#12 Posted : 28 March 2006 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price Point taken . Thats the beauty of this forum we can all express a point of view and hopefully learn from the input therefore make a safer working eenvironement for all. Regards Paul (-:
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#13 Posted : 28 March 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot Paul... "What did we do before the advent of mibile phones?" We had more people and more time, that's what we did. Oh, and the Tannoy call from a woman getting more and more angry that we didn't run to the nearest 'phone and take the call :-)
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#14 Posted : 28 March 2006 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price mibile phones?????:-)
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