Posted By snt I wonder whether anybody has noticed that phantom jobs are being advertised on this forum. Careers forum should be about advancing careers and not an avenue to advertise jobs. Job advertsiement in any form I think should be discourage. There are many job sites out for job hunting. Obviously a link can be given to that website, that way prospective candidates can deal directly with the employer. If you have been suspecting soemthing fishy, please share it with us.

Posted By snt The fishy jobs have no proper company domain names and no website to verify the company. In other cases they are just too fishy. For example: "It’s based in West London, with travel to other parts of the UK. An engineering background isn’t essential, but holding the NEBOSH certificate would be an advantage, and having a passion for health & safety is a must.". Who on this forum have not got a passion for health and safety.

Posted By Neville Snt You are obviously in H&S employment at the moment, hence your viewpoint. Would you have a similar stand on this if you were unemployed and searching for your next position? I for one welcome genuine offers from wherever they come, as they are in the interests of people with a H&S careers in mind. Just for the record, I responded to a response on here several weeks ago and have been invited for interview on 25 May, whether I am successful or not. Careers are about just that, Careers! If you are "in between jobs", you will be looking for one too.

Posted By PST I agree with Neville and I also believe it shouldn’t matter where the job comes from, if it is genuine, great, if not and a member feels he or she is being taken by a phantom! Then speak up, tell the moderators. Many members have gained successful employment and career advancement through this forum, either via agencies or directly with employers. The same people visit the site to find information, add their comments to discussions and sometimes even have a laugh. Why ban jobs being advertised by, agency, employer or (phantoms) whoever they may be. This forum is very unique and personal; it is an excellent medium to advertise (individuals or company) and most importantly to find others who are genuinely looking for employment or career advancement. Take away the agencies, companies and phantoms, and then you loose a big part of the forum.

Posted By Richard Stewart Yes, but we do contact people who state they are looking for work

Posted By Asha Matovu SNT I respect your view but obviously, you're already in the industry and forgetting that there are many of us out there who are trying to have the same breakthrough. Although I haven't got a job yet, the two interviews that I have had so far were from this website. Sadly I had one person e-mailing me yesterday that they had recieved my CV but unfortunately "we had a huge response and decided not to take your application further" but then they advertised the same position within 10mins of emailing me. I do not feel that IOSH is doing enough to help new graduates despite the fact that we are paying the membership fee.

Posted By Christopher Kelly I know how you feel - I get a couple of those emails every day, even when I am not actively applying for jobs. I actually started work in December for a firm which another guy on this thread went for interview with - trust me he was better off not working for them - see my posting on 'Best ever answer in an interview'. My CV for the last couple of years looks like a colander but you have to stick by your principles / maintain your reputation whilst at the same time building up your experience. It's a slog but you will get there - spend some time on your CV - I went to a CV consultant last year who used all of my words - all he did was line it all up - but I instantly started getting jobs.I got down to two people in a job from this site last year (the other guy got it) and got the other job the day after it was posted. You never know what is going to come up. The other thing that made a difference was combination of experience with a few letters after your name. Silly thing was that prior to having the letters the experience counted for nothing. One thing I have learned is that agencies (largely - there are a couple of good ones - email me and I will reply with details - can't advertise them) waste your time and that really is demoralising. Buck up you will get something - just keep slogging away at it, you may have to take something with a lot of travel or some unattractive elements to it but you just have to do it for a couple of years - no-one has it easy - remember it's a vocation - not a job ! Put a photo of Jeremy Clarkson over your dartboard - that will make you feel better. Regards, Chris

Posted By Patrick Burns CMIOSH - SpDipEM - MIQA As I am looking for a new challenge I responded to one of the adverts on the forum. I did not hear anything and posted a follow up comment to that effect. However last week I received an e-mail saying that the CVs submitted were being sorted for shortlisting. there was also an apology for the time delay which was down to the MD being off sick. So be aware not to burn your bridge by posting a derogatory comment because you had no reply. I think it is good to see jobs advertised this way as members of IOSH and forum visitors are getting first knowledge.

Posted By Steve Doyle I am the MD of a building maintenance firm employing about 200 people and I've recently posted a job vacancy on this site. I have been inundated with CV's but 99% of them are from agencies. They are all looking for roughly a 20% sign up fee which pretty much makes it impossible for me to consider them. I am a genuine employer with genuine opportunities for Health and Safety professionals. We have even considered forming a H&S consultancy as part of our larger group, but having to wade through a mountain of time wasters who seem to move from one company to the next every 6 months is making the process very frustrating. More and more I am finding that most qualified professionals (of all types) in the construction industry are far too fickle and skip from one job to the next, usually chasing that extra pound note or two. They have been able to do this, mainly because of the skills shortages that have plagued the industry for the past 10 years. But this is one company that will not consider any of these noticeable “professionals” at all costs. We are looking for people who want to start a long term career with us. Where are these people? I'm hoping that we will see some success through this website, and find someone who has the self motivation and commitment to a proper career. A copy of the original post below; If you would like to work in an environment where you are valued and where you will play an important role in the continued development of a successful company then we would like to hear from you. Based in London SE6, and established in 1944 this Building maintenance and refurbishment company requires a Health & Safety Officer to manage all health and safety issues for the company, employees and subcontractors alike. You will need to have an in-depth knowledge of health and safety legislation with a practical understanding of construction industry best practice. You must hold a recognised qualification (NEBOSH general and construction) as a minimum with at least 3 years experience. Enjoy delivering training courses. Visit sites across the London and the southeast to carryout site inspections, and be able to communicate effectively at all levels within the business. Salary £37,000 pa + Car, Bonus and other benefits. Please forward your CV with a covering letter to: Michelle Morgan, Architectural Decorators Ltd, AD House, 76 Elmer Road, London SE6 2ER www.theadgroup.co.uk If you understand what I am saying here, I'de love to hear from you. Agencies need not apply! Steven Doyle Managing Director Architectural Decorators Ltd The AD Group Partnership steve.doyle@theadgroup.co.uk

Posted By Caro M I recently advertised a position on this site and got many applications (I responded to all). We also advertised in newspapers and other websites but the person we have employed applied through the posting on this site. I think is a great place for both employees and employers and it would be a shame if a few 'fishy' posts put people off.

Posted By Daniel Stonehouse snt isnt MarksMark reincarnated is he? snt, if you are not, then my humble apologies. It is just that you have created a few postings lately that are in my humble opinion at first glance in danger of being locked by the moderator as they cast suspicions on others as to their professionalism and possible ulterior motives. It is one thing to have a general moan at H and S life in general - who doesn't - but these are directed a little too closely at individuals.

Posted By AlB Steve, I came accross that posting, and I am pretty sure I'd love that job and make a success of it and actually provide returns for the business as well, but unfortunately it is not in an area of the country that works for me at this moment in time. Shame. However, take comfort from knowing that your posting has certainly taken my notice, as it has a number of others as well, so the Careers forum is a useful forum for posting advertisements. Good luck in your search for the right candidate. PS - I think your remuneration package is about right for that position as well. Never undersell safety. Pay the money, but expect the goods in return.

Posted By David Bannister Long live this facility for IOSH members to attract/find others. Ads & Agencies are OK if managed effectively - this forum is a route directly to safety pro's who are looking for a move with immediate posting and probably very speedy, useful responses. Plus there is the cost (none). Job seekers have the knowledge that (probably) the employer knows who IOSH are and respects their members. To IOSH, please do not remove this valued facility. Ps I hope I'm not being naive here!

Posted By Calogero Gattuso Dear Sirs Please do not remove the facility for employers to advertise on this method, I found my current role using this forum. If I remember at the time I went to see most of the employment agencies personally - but didnot secure any interviews, and I had an urgent requirement as I was going to be made redundant from my previous post. Regards, One satisfied user

Posted By Janette Draper I totally agree with you Chris. I don’t even visit the job pages on the SHP web site anymore just because of the domination of agencies, and although there are probably some good ones, my overall experience is not positive. I much prefer this way where you can email direct to the potential employer and you both have the opportunity to ascertain whether the skill set / quals and benefits suit both of you. I spoke to someone recently at the local IOSH AGM where he told me he had got a good job with a local legal firm – right off this forum. (killed me actually because I didn’t see it ) I like the forum as it is and it would be a real shame if the job side was removed – jeez, what would we talk about?! J.

Posted By garyh I am not looking for a job however I think that there should be a specific jobs posting section. I bet that the reason that this won't be allowed is that it would pull advertising reveunue from the SHP. However, IOSH is not a commercial organbisation, so the first consideration of the members of what they want. I call for a poll on the forum on this subject.

Posted By Richard Stewart Afternoon all, As an Agent specialising in H&S Recruitment I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate. I think the forum is a great resource however I do not feel that it should really be an Advertising Board. Surely the point of the forum is to provide careers advice. I think the SHP Online site should be redeveloped with a better search engine. If someone wants to develop a board for people to post their availability then fine - but it should be a commercial venture supported by advertising - should IOSH be funding the cost of webspace? Richard Stewart Anders Elite