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#1 Posted : 30 May 2006 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ross Battle Where Are All The Planning Supervisors? Agencies don’t tend to be much use in this department and only seem to provide the same (small) group of people who always seem to be on the look out and those with no prior experience. We’re looking in London and the Midlands and have been for some time with very little success. Has anyone had any joy finding suitable candidates? And if yes, would you like to share your methods? battleps@gmail.com
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#2 Posted : 30 May 2006 22:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt Recruit somebody with the capabilities and train them up yourself. No point moaning about agencies. A good company should have the capabilities to train their staff to the level they require for their operations. There are good candidates looking for opportunities, give them a try. Good luck.
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#3 Posted : 30 May 2006 22:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorne There is a great number of Health and Safety professionals looking for work and would be willing to take on the role as a planning supervisor. But a lot of companies will not take them on as they do not have experience at performing this role, but with a little in house training on employment would go along way to filling these posts and giving someone who wants to work in this field a start.You will never know if a person can do the job untill you give them a chance.
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#4 Posted : 30 May 2006 23:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul1 Oh dear. Planning Supervision requires technical knowledge in respect of construction and knowledge of the design process. H & S professionals do not always make the best PS's. On the job training, very difficult. Competence is king and all too often those of us in the PS world see incompetent people all the time purporting to be Planning Supervisors when they wouldn't be able to hold a ten second conversation on the relative merits of different piling techniques or pro's,con's and implications of PT concrete frames over steel etc. Refer to the competence requirements muted in the draft acop to CDM2 and note that IOSH is not recognised as a construction related institution to determine competence, which speaks volumes. IOSH has definitely lost out on this area to the APS et al. Which is a pity as a member of both organisations.
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#5 Posted : 30 May 2006 23:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt Then, this forum is not the place to be advertising for that post. It is high time, people are specific about their requirements for job vacancies. Under CDM regulations, a planning supervisor could be a structural engineers, project engineers etc, so there are specific websites where this role could be advertised.
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#6 Posted : 31 May 2006 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mal Shiels Dear all A lot of the former comments are corect in what they say, competence is the key. However to say that this is not the forum to advertise or recruit planning supervisors is in my opinion wrong. To fulfill the planning supervisor role you need some modecum of health and safety knowledge, both in the design process and the construction process, how else can you comment on the principal contractors construction phase health and safety plan, or liaise with them during the construction works? Alongside the design and construction knowledge you need to have some idea of the procurement process and the kind of people skills needed to manage, liaise with and co-ordinate design teams. Like all roles within the construction industry, there are core competence criteria needed with a bit extra area specific knowledge which is concentrated in the area of discipline. It will be interesting when CDM changes do come in just how many professional individuals and companies actually turn down a role because they do not assess themselves as competent! EG: Project in nuclear environment or project in pipeline industry, i would not take on the planning supervisor role in those instances because i do not know enough about the industries. Regards
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#7 Posted : 31 May 2006 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Asha Matovu Snt, I am loving you and if only most employers in this industry thought like you, there would be a few of us wondering whether there is going to be a chance for us. Mal, this website or careers forum is used by IOSH members and actually many of us are paying members, who use it to look for jobs. So if someone is advertising something that they do not think is for IOSH members then go and google.
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#8 Posted : 31 May 2006 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Asha Matovu Correction!!!!!!!! Sorry Mal, that second paragraph was meant for Paul1
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#9 Posted : 31 May 2006 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve99Jones I think the point Paul1 was making that there are too many safety professionals who think that as a H&S professional they are competent to be a Planning Supervisor. Unfortunately it is not that easy or straightforward and it is (in my opinion) this approach that has give PS's and CDM in general such a bad name!
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#10 Posted : 01 June 2006 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly On the other hand there are lots of Planning Supervisors who should be planning safety issues in at the design stage who spend all their time on structural issues and do not have the health and safety experience to deal the issues which should be covered in the health and safety plan, leading to problems at the Construction phase due to poor planning. Result - lots of meaningless safety plans from the planning stage which then have to be developed by competent health and safety professionals !
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#11 Posted : 01 June 2006 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve99Jones Chris You are quite correct and what I am saying is that the Planning Supervisor needs to be a specialist, not a general H&S Practitioner, nor a construction professional, but someone skilled in both disciplines. I may be biased in my opinions as I am both CMIOSH and CEng MICE and I successfully carry out a lot of PS work. I have however seen first hand the problems that you describe when a construction professional with little H&S knowledge gets involed, though exactly the same, albeit with a different set of problems, when a H&S Professional with little design/construction experience is engaged as the PS. It is time that people realised that we are not jack of all trades, as for example I would never attempt to design a dam, despite many years of experience as a civil engineering designer.
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