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#1 Posted : 02 June 2006 08:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Heatley
I am currently working as a Health & Safety & Training Manager in Edinburgh and wish to relocate to the West Coast of Scotland in the very near future. With several years experience and all the appropriate qualifications under my belt,I am considering going self-employed. I need some advice from all you self-employed folk out there in Scotland who can point me in the right direction in order to start-up.

I will be based in Skye but happy to travel up to Kinlochbervie, Lochinver, Ullapool, Fort William, Western Isles.

In these areas there are many small businesses, building firms, shops, care homes, etc., where H&S is unheard of, or at least, not taken quite as seriously as it maybe should be. I was considering whether it would be a viable option to start offering H&S advice & small scale training options in these areas.

As I have a passion for H&S and I am a flipping good trainer, I thinkg I can make a go of it but do not know where to start.

All advice welcome.
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#2 Posted : 02 June 2006 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By 9-Ship
Think you have hit the nail on the head - being such a rural environment, I think your biggest obsticle will be finding enough clients who will pay you enough to survive.

WOuld be good to work in such a nice area, but I think you will find most h&s work is in the larger cities/populated areas where the majority of industry and businesses are.
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#3 Posted : 02 June 2006 10:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins
I would start by trying Highland Council, Western Isles Council and the local NHS trust in the area.
You are not a million miles away from Inverness so you may pick up bits & pieces in that area.
There is a major tourism industry in the area so maybe some flyers to operators in the area to highlight the need for good H&S when dealing with members of the public.
Apart from that you have nothing but hills & coo's!
Regards, MW.
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#4 Posted : 02 June 2006 11:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby'
Very Very Good luck to you....

I thought very seriously about doing the same thing, in Yorkshire though...espescially as everyone in this little market town seems to know what I do for a living, but be warned, nobody wants to pay for it for example....

asked by one of local landlords for an opinion on a food safety hygiene matter, went round to look at source, asked if I was having a pint while I was there, accepted, Guinness profered, 'that'll be £2:18 please'....

and I thought Ronnie Barkers' Arkwright had passed away!

This has not been an isolated incident either...In small towns and villages, with admitably tight profits, tighter grips on wa\llets exist and friendships, professional and social, can be seriously strained....

anyway on that depressing note, I do wish you well in your endevours

Philby'
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#5 Posted : 02 June 2006 11:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Karen

I am currently based in the central belt approx 5 miles from Livingston, but work as Group HSE Manager in Glasgow.

During a previous spell of redundancy I seriously thought about doing the same myself. As a frequent visitor to the far north indulging one of my passions, Salmon & Trout fishing. I have partaken in discussions (and supping a few drams) with locals in many Public bars and inns at the end of a hard day's fishing.

Many locals depend on tourism as a source of income (whenever they can) and the thought of elf & safety is the last thing on their minds. They want to bring people into the area not scare them away.

This mentality, is all to common across the far north and hence why H&S jobs are far and few in these areas. To be honest, you may be better off opening a B&B.

However do not let me discourage you from trying, as a previous thread stated, contact all the relevant councils in the area, tourist information boards, local conglomerates/co-ops may also offer useful assistance.

As Mark said you are not a few million miles from Inverness, may be better basing yourself in the Black Isle area, at least you would find it easier to travel to the larger villages/towns - North to Thurso/Tongue/Helmsdale/Brora, West to Ullapool, South to Inverness, Fort William and east to the likes of Nairn, Moray, Banff, Lossiemouth, Peterhead, Fraserburgh, Huntly to name a few.

This location may well give you more scope for these areas may well use H&S services in some form or another.

Whilst you do not state which areas you have experience in, you may need to look and ensure you have a diverse range of experience to cope with the likes of Fisheries, Food Processing, Medical, Retail, Tourism/Hotel/B&B, Golf Courses, Oil & Gas, Manufacturing, Distilleries to name a few.

All I would suggest is do the research first, assess the need for such services, and how you would provide this (and how quick) - make yourself approachable, do not distance yourself.

Although Skye is amongst the most scenic of areas, the road links to everywhere else leave a lot to be desired (so does the fishing too).

All I can say is good luck, its a big step

Alex
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#6 Posted : 02 June 2006 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By s mac
I am also job hunting but based in Central Belt, I have seen a current vacancy which may suit you (for the NHS Western Isles), based in Stornoway for Health and Safety Advisor?

Good luck.
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#7 Posted : 02 June 2006 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Heatley
Many thanks for all comments and advice provided. Could S Mac contact me with the job you are takling about please as I cannot find it anywhere. Cheers
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#8 Posted : 02 June 2006 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By bec_batty
£2.18 for a pint of Guinness!?!?!

Lucky you!

Rebecca
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#9 Posted : 02 June 2006 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Was in Ullapool at the weekend.
I can vouch for the fact that the hotel we stayed in needed some H&S advice!

I was going to offer some, but was discouraged by the wife on the pain of divorce.
She gets in a strop if I start hazard spotting.

My guess is that you might take time to establish yourself.
The normal advertise -apply- interview, job process does not operate North of Perth.
Its down to people gossiping about you.
The jungle drums rule up here.

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#10 Posted : 02 June 2006 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby'
Rebecca,

£2:18 was beginning of last year, as was the last time anyone got free advice! except of course on these hallowed portals.... its now £2:40 in the cheepest pub in Otley and £3:20 in the most expensive...until it turns into a club...but we dont go there 'cos they dont know how to keep it!

Philby'
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#11 Posted : 02 June 2006 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By bec_batty
Philby - lol

It's AT LEAST £3.00 down South!

Lucky I don't drink Guinness :0)

Rebecca
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#12 Posted : 02 June 2006 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By s mac
www.scotcareers.co.uk
Health and Safety Advisor
Ref CE0051/SC
NHS Western Isles

If you still have trouble finding this, please let me know your email address and I'll try and send you the link direct?

Hope this is acceptable under the user guidelines, I am a fellow health and safety practitioner and not linked to any recruitment agency or service, just wanted to help you out as I know how difficult the job market can be and relocated myself 3 years ago.
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#13 Posted : 09 June 2006 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Joe Quinn
Karen,

I work in Kyle of Lochalsh and may have useful information. Email me at jquinn@qinetiq.com.

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#14 Posted : 09 June 2006 21:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kay
I work in health and safety in the Highlands and while I admit there are not a lot of full time jobs about, there are also not a lot of consultancies either. And yes, there are coos and even some sheep.....but there is also beautiful scenery, lots of outdoor sports and the mountain biking world championships were held near here not so long ago.

So go for it Karen, it may not earn you a fortune but you will be placed somewhere no-one else seems to be.

Karen-Anne
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#15 Posted : 09 June 2006 22:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins
I would like to point out that when I made the "Coo's" comment I forgot to mention that I stay in the area so I can say that there is "Coo's" and nothing else. MW
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#16 Posted : 09 June 2006 22:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kay
Well, it shows good judgement and a fantastic work life balance if you live here. We should start a support group for those that don't have it so good.

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#17 Posted : 09 June 2006 22:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins
I agree. The only thing I envy is the road system down south. Although busy they can get anywhere. It takes about 2 1/2 hours to go from Inverness to Aberdeen on the A96 - about 100 miles-ish. Nightmare.


We could do what that guy on ebay done and bottle the air and ship it to people who are less fortunate...!!!
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#18 Posted : 09 June 2006 22:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kay
Well, my pet hate just now is the few miles between Inverness and the Tore roundabout. My usual journey of 12 minutes from my work to home has stretched, thanks to road works, to about 40 minutes.

Yes I know that even forty minutes is good for some people. The down side is that it takes me nearly that long to get in to work. Thanks to a bridge and a right turn.
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#19 Posted : 10 June 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins
The longman roundabout and industrial estate can be a nightmare if hit at the wrong time. I used to drive to Alness daily from Elgin it was murder.
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#20 Posted : 12 June 2006 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charlie Gunter
Karen,
If you haven't done so already, try contacting Highland and Islands Enterprise. They can offer advice and business training. Their web address is www.hie.co.uk/

They are broken down by area. I believe Skye and Lochalsh has an office in Portree.

Regards

Charlie
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#21 Posted : 12 July 2006 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sufficient and Suitable
why not take the hassle out of starting up and buy a franchise from www.healthandsafetydept.com - at least you can focus on training and being a good consultant, rather than the myriad of paperwork and admin of starting your own business
Olivia is the main contact there
all the best!
regards
Christian
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#22 Posted : 12 July 2006 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By HilaryM
Although not on the west coast of Scotland, but in deepest rural Worcestershire, I agree with all the comments about local people not valuing and being willing to pay for h&s advice and training. Sending the invoice is one thing: getting a cheque in response is another. The reality check I did when I started in self-employment, was this. I visited the Library, looked in the local Directory of Businesses and sought the number of employees, on the basis that the larger the company, the more likely they would want H&S. The uncomfortable truth was that major employee numbers were in Old People's Homes where they have a lot of part-time workers. I didn't go down this route. The other thing you could do is find out which businesses started up about 10 years ago. I think businesses can somehow accommodate h&s whilst it remains small and young, but after 10 years it needs some professional advice which it would be willing to pay for. Good luck.
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#23 Posted : 12 July 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kesp
Karen

When In Rome !
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#24 Posted : 12 July 2006 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kesp
Karen

Seriously, why don’t you go down the self-employed route, with your Training and Managerial experience why don’t you apply to NEBOSH to be an examiner / marker? Or part time auditor with BSC / ROSPA etc
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#25 Posted : 12 July 2006 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen MacKenzie (nee Heatley)
Dear HilaryM and everyone else with useful comments. Many thanks for the advice. I am currently meeting with the Highlands and Islands Enterprise and will be visiting the local Library on Skye on Monday.

Can I also add, it would be appreciated if only responses to my query were posted and all other "chat room" type comments were kept to other forums.

Many thanks to all, Karen
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