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#1 Posted : 14 June 2006 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By MDE My employer is a manufacturer in the Greater Manchester area. My role, as Senior Health & Safety Adviser, is to help turn the Company around. Our Compliance Monitor gives us serious cause for concern. The size of the challenge is significant both in terms of its breadth and depth and it represents a real opportunity for personal and professional development. If you are qualified to NEBOSH General Certificate standard or above and you would like to help me take on this challenge, please forward an up to date CV to zmbbw@hotmail.com or call me on 07919881945.
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#2 Posted : 14 June 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Where in GM plese and what is the salary?
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#3 Posted : 14 June 2006 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frances Greater Manchester sounds good to me. 63 views, already looking good
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#4 Posted : 14 June 2006 17:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt Are you in a position to make decision on employnment? If so, I would expect you to use your company email or address. If not you might actually be breaking employment law, and you are most likely to be sued if I send my CV to you and was not shrt listed for interview.
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#5 Posted : 14 June 2006 17:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB snt......that's presuming you'd be considered good enough to get to the shortlist?! I am in agreement though. I'm interested in the content (however vague it is), but the fact that it is a hotmail link gives it a big no-no. MDE - you want quality candidates? Give a quality impression. Just my thoughts.
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#6 Posted : 14 June 2006 17:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt For this particular role I am good to be shortlisted based on the requirement for the job and beside I am SNT hoping to teach to my employer "compliance".
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#7 Posted : 14 June 2006 18:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB :) That's that sorted then! If you're going for it SNT, then goood luck.
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#8 Posted : 14 June 2006 19:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney It was refreshing to note that the poster of this no doubt genuine advertismnt took the time to include a phone number; I wish you well with your search for a suitable candidate. CFT
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#9 Posted : 14 June 2006 21:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher 'SNT' referred to the poster not giving contact details, when in fact e-mail and phone number are given. As 'SNT's postings add no value to this Thread they have been removed
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#10 Posted : 15 June 2006 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt I did not ask about contact details, all I asked is whether the advertiser is in a position to employ a candidate i,e having the authority to do so by his/her employer. If so, then it would be appropriate for the advertiser to use company email and address.But if not, the advertiser could be breaking employment law. The next poser is that the advertiser is likely to be sued if my CV is not shortlisted for interview if he is not in a position to do so. This is just an awareness to advertisers that candidates have rights as well. For a start a CV sent directly to employment agencies or the company is quite different to the one send to XXXX@hotmail.com. The next poser asked suggested that the basis for interview selection is based on me being good for the job in the first instance, which I replied that I am good for the job as I am SNT. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR JOB!!!!!!. All I am doing is raising awareness through this medium, and raise the profile of Health and Safety professionals. Just because people are looking for positions in H&S, we should not put up with mediocrity, just as you cannot prebooked a taxi or order a pizza with mobile number (they required land line) so also mobile phone is not good for job postings.
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#11 Posted : 15 June 2006 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Adams May I respectfully suggest that the careers forum be used for that, i.e. for those of use currently seeking work or a change of employer and for those who are seeking to place someone. (Before the deadline of course). As a person in the former category, I am dismayed that, over the last couple of weeks, a number of posts offering a position have received negative comment from people not currently seeking employment. We are all grown ups (allegedly) and quite capable of deciding which jobs are of interest. The constant sniping is undermining this forum and significantly degrading it's usefulness to members. Rant over. Thank You Paul Adams CMIOSH Currently seeking a change of scene in the North East.
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#12 Posted : 15 June 2006 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' Paul, the forum is also for those that require advice on careers, whether that be preparing CV's, interview advice, whether or not to make a jump, asking peers for their experiences, and warning or being warned of unscrupulous persons....I'm not saying that this threads poster is, but there are a few scams circling where the numbers are premium rates, some at £15 per min, and emails that are spammers/virus spreaders etc...employers, or their representatives acting on behalf of them, like snt, I would have thought, would operate by a company email or website.... Philby'
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#13 Posted : 15 June 2006 11:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By MDE Dear All, This is a genuine posting. As I have explained to those who have contacted me direct, we are testing the water with a view to finalising a job profile before going to press with an advertisement. Clearly there are some situations where mentioning the companies name isn't appropriate ... this is one of them. Apologies for the furore I seem to have caused.
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#14 Posted : 15 June 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' MDE, thanks, I wasn't casting aspertions, just attempting to bring some context....hope you find what/who your looking for Philby'
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#15 Posted : 15 June 2006 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Taylor14 And again, these people paying for their advertisment through the proper channels would solve all of this nonsense, who in their right mind responds to a job on a moby number with a hotmail account??! The mind boggles!
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#16 Posted : 15 June 2006 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt MDE, Thank you for the posting. Your apology is accepted. However, I am sure you will not be using us to test the water to finalise the job profile, if you have to pay for the advert as you are most likely to justify the cost with your finance manager. This are poser for you: 1. When is the job going to be advertised in the press? 2. What will happen to those CV that have been posted your hotmail account? 3. Are they going to be delivered to your HR department for consideration? 4. What is the implication for those CVs collected on behalf of your company in terms of Data Protection and compliance? Moreover, are you in a position to advertise directly employ somebody for the role? The above questions are asked to assure the forum users that though they have been used to test the water, there is light at the end of the tunnel for them Your apology is ACCEPTED.
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#17 Posted : 15 June 2006 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt To Charles: In your posting to this thread you stated that "It was refreshing to note that the poster of this no doubt genuine advertismnt took the time to include a phone number; I wish you well with your search for a suitable candidate. CFT" I state categorically that it was refreshing to note that the poster of this in no doubt is "testing the water" advert and not in any way a genuine advertisement as the advertiser have said. A landline is quite different from a mobile or premium number. Rather, I wish we all that send their CVs to be paid for their service and time in helping a company to compile a profile for the job description.
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#18 Posted : 15 June 2006 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan I have been a regular visitor to the IOSH forums for a number of years now and have found a lot of good information and advice. I have for the past few years studied non stop to become competent enough to join IOSH as a graduate member which I intend to do this summer. I have notice over the past few months that the general level of criticism , back biting, condescending and snide remarks posted here has increased to the point where I really am finding it quite tedious to visit the site. Whether it be belittling remarks, sarcasm, or general one-upmanship,it is becoming far to common on what I consider to be a world leading organisations site. I visit several other sites where the overall feeling is one of freindship and assistance to all levels of our profession. Am I wrong or has anyone else noticed this?
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#19 Posted : 15 June 2006 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB As guilty as I feel about contributing to this thread but not in direct elation to the initial post, I must admit I agree with SNT. A hotmail account and a mobile telephone number is suspicious, and SNT did not question the lack of contact detail, but rather the validity of them. Me, I'd not reply to this in case it was my employer (which I would have no way of knowing), who might well take the hump that I'd be looking for other positions. If it is not a job posting, then why ask for interested candidates to send in their details? Surely, if we are nit-picking, the original post would be breaking the acceptable use guidelines, and not SNT, who is only voicing his concern. Hmmmm....I dodn't really want to become involved in the politics of all this. Nevermind.
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#20 Posted : 15 June 2006 15:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Kelly I have to say that I agree with metalman's comments. As a frequent visitor to the forums and an occasional contributor I find some of the comments made quite astonishing. Rather than being helpful some contributors seem to go out of their way to be negative, find fault where none exists and contribute to postings that are completely irrelevant to their circumstances. I don't understand why people who are not looking for work continually respond to a thread relating to work seekers. We should do what we can to eliminate people who are posting ads irresponsibly or are fishing for c.v.'s. I would hope that the vast majority of professionals who use this forum have more productive ways to spend their time than to pick fault with postings that they really have no interest in and which are completely irrelevant to their experiences. Though of course it is much easier to find fault and point out the percieved mistakes of others than to be positive, supportive and to encourage others.
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#21 Posted : 15 June 2006 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt We are in safety and health business which entails risks assessment. Often we found faults where none exists for better product design. On this thread we have found faults which doesn't look like a fault in the first instance, but careful analysis have shown that the fault is real and our initial concern have been justified. The fact that some of us are not actively looking for job offers at the moment should not prevent us from showing others that certain adverts are not real. Our efforts should be directed at people taking us for a ride. I for one, have better things to use my time for, however, my duty to fellow professionals springs to action if I see dodgy adverts. I have contributed to Study support forum and frequently been helpful to others. The IOSH Careers forum should be about advancing our career in Health and Safety, the only way we can do this if we allow information to flow freely between members. Its been a while now, the advertiser of this thread have not reply to the questions posed to him/her. This is not an attack on anybody, but a wake up call that IOSH forum could not be toyed with.
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