Posted By Mark Bywater
All,

I know we have discussed the pros and cons of companies and agencies advertising here at length and do not intend this thread to be a "blast" at IOSH for removing job adverts, so don't let it become that, please.

But my point is that there is nothing on this forum for people like myself who popped in and out the site a couple of times a week or more to see if there were any interesting jobs out there.

It needn't matter that they were in London, Wales, Scotland or even Dubai; it was just interesting to see what was on offer and the rates of pay, qualifications and experience needed etc.

I am not an employer looking to recruit people, nor am I an agency looking to gather CVs, so what use is the Careers forum to me? Before you answer I have advertised myself here previously but with little response except from agencies which, forgive me for saying, are not much use in my experience.

I am sad that IOSH have removed the avenue of job seeking to members like me and looking through this month's SHP there honestly doesn't appear to be an upturn in advertising jobs.

I suppose now we will all have to trawl through Monster, Jobcentre Plus and other such forums.

Maybe other members will be able to point out more sites for jobssekers to tap into instead of looking here.

Kind regards to all,

Mark

Posted By 9-Ship
Fully agree - very little point in now using this forum.

Thought I would get in before the thread gets locked.

It seems to be the only way that 'issues' are dealt with by the powers that be...

Posted By Howard
Agreed

Though if you feel that strongly about it, then use your vote ( if eligible)in the upcoming IOSH Council elections.

H

Posted By Paul Patrick Gildernew
I think all the gripes about losing free advertising of jobs on the forum are unfair on IOSH.

Most other professions have to be advertised in various media formats and pay for the priviledge so why should the rules on the forum be any different. i found my first safety job by applying for a job advertised in a newspaper.

I find the forum of interest and have enquired about some vacancies advertised but have found that vacancies in SHP are genuine and not just CV gathering exercises as some posting appear to be.

Note: Not all recruit companies do this, and i realise that a lot of the posts advertised are real but just giving my experience.

Posted By Stuart Bower
I'm actually quite annoyed to find that our advert in this months SHP doesn't also appear on their web site.

I though one of the arguments put forward by the powers that be was the availability of all SHP job adverts on SHP online?

If I had missed the 'deadline' I would have put a copy of the advert on this forum.

Stuart

Posted By Adrian Newton
Dear Stuart,

I would like to apologise for your recruitment advertisement not appearing correctly on the SHP website today. This is an integral part of our service and we are most disappointed that on this one occasion it appears not have functioned correctly.

I understand that you raised this issue with my colleague Bryn McGeever this morning. He instantly contacted out IT department who thoroughly investigated your complaint. It appears that it was the result of an unfortunate technical glitch, which they are in the process of rectifying. They assure me that all other recruitment advertisements carried by SHP this month have appeared correctly on our website; however I do appreciate that this fact is probably of little comfort to you. On a more positive note your advertisement has of course appeared in SHP where it can be read by our 30,000+ readers.

The entire SHP team prides itself on offering the best possible service; either in the form of editorial content and job opportunities for our readers or in terms of delivery for our advertisers. Unfortunately on this occasion we appear to have fallen short.

Yours sincerely,
Adrian Newton
Publisher - SHP

Posted By Mark Bywater
Guys and girls,

Thanks for all the responses, obviously IOSH have some work to do to keep "their dicks in a row" to quote one colleague, and I fully agree.

I do feel now that IOSH should rename this section the "Jobseekers Forum" as no careers are visible or attainable here.

I for one will be using my vote to try to re-establish the forum in it's previous form and will actively monitor the numbers of adverts placed in SHP for the next 3 months to "ensure" an upturn in advertising by employers / agencies.

I would urge anyone with an interest in this forum to do likewise...IOSH will take notice if we use our voting rights, won't they?

Thanks again for all your positive responses which ensured the thread wasn't locked.

Best wishes to all,

Mark

Posted By Mark Bywater
Guys and girls,

After an unfortunate spelling mistake had my last posting removed, again apologies to IOSH, this is what I meant to post with a good deal of thanks to Neal Clark at IOSH for his assistance here.

Thanks for all the responses, obviously IOSH have some work to do to
keep "their ducks in a row" to quote one colleague, and I fully agree.

I do feel now that IOSH should rename this section the "Jobseekers
Forum" as no careers are visible or attainable here.

I for one will be using my vote to try to re-establish the forum in it's
previous form and will actively monitor the numbers of adverts placed in
SHP for the next 3 months to "ensure" an upturn in advertising by
employers / agencies.

I would urge anyone with an interest in this forum to do likewise...IOSH
will take notice if we use our voting rights, won't they?

Thanks again for all your positive responses which ensured the thread
wasn't locked.

Best wishes to all,

Mark

Posted By Ian Mitchell
Members should have received their ballot papers for the IOSH council elections recently. As has been pointed out this issue is not brought up in their manifestos. As regards 'younger blood', with the exception of Rakesh from Hammonds who IS genuinely young (I have to say that as I am 30 next month!) the candidates are almost exclusively 50-65 years old! Not saying this is a bad thing as experience is key in this profession and only a select band of young practitioners have enough of this, hence the age demographic!

Posted By Kesp
Mark / Ian

Are you saying that members can use their IOSH council election to re-name this forum?

Mark

I cannot see how actively monitoring the number of adverts placed in SHP for the next 3 months will "ensure" an upturn in advertising by employers / agencies.
Do you mean that you will monitor the number of adverts placed in SHP to acertain if there has been a rise.

I would like to see the results of that.

Kesp

Posted By Kesp
Dave

All one has to do is to go to http://www.shponline.co.uk register with SHP and bingo one has access.

As the saying goes ‘if you fill in the form you get to see the jobs’

Kesp

Posted By Zyggy Turek
I do like John's idea that if you pay to advertise in the SHP, you can "expand" the job details in this Forum.

I have in the past done both, & found that you can convey a more personal image on this Forum giving potential candidates a chance to e-mail or 'phone direct with any questions.
This in turn may assist the person to decide if they actually want the job before they go to the trouble of completing an application form.

Posted By Smurfer
... yes, but where/what are the policies?

Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
I know what you mean.

I read a thread last week and it irritated me and I too got fed up with it!

But I did find an answer... I didn't read it again!

Take care!

Posted By Patrick Burns CMIOSH - SpDipEM - MIQA
I don't think I will be visiting this forum very often in the future as it seems the only worth is to advertise yourself, rather than review anything that can be advertised.

Posted By Alan T
Mark

I couldn’t agree more, when I had some minutes spare I used to look in to keep a feel of the marketplace and see if there was any out of the ordinary jobs around then browse other areas on the IOSH website, now I rarely bother and the shortcut to this site is at the bottom of my list ! All in the name of revenue.

Alan T

A disappointed member who recommends that anyone who agrees with this post adds a post, it is only by a show of opinion that the powers that be will review there decision.

Posted By Dave Wilson
Not me as you can always look in SHP or Online for all the jobs around and that will tell you exactly the same

Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
Here's a vision...

Within 24 hours this thread will be locked!!

Because
a) ...'The thread has lost its way' (No it hasn't)!

b) ...'It is not relevant' (Why not??)

c) ...'We don't like being ganged up on' (Sorry, real world here)!

d) ... Well c'mon everyone... It's a negative blast at the Holier than thou Gods!

Take care!

Posted By IOSH Web Manager
Good morning Everyone,

The decision to implement the change to the careers forum was only made after careful consideration and discussions with all people involved – members included, and has already been the subject of much discussion on this forum.

The threat to advertising revenue in SHP may sound dry and dull, but it is nonetheless a vital one.

Jobseekers can still post on the Careers Forum and employers are free to contact them directly by email. That way, they don't infringe the acceptable use guidelines:

"Users must not use the forums for any commercial purpose (including the advertising of jobs, goods and services)…"

I can only re-emphasise that members have been involved in this decision throughout: the moderators, the SHP/IOSH board, and the Communications and International Committee – as well as IOSH and SHP staff. All of these members are nominated, or elected, or volunteer with committee approval to represent you, the members, in the decisions they make about how IOSH operates. This is the democratic process. Sometimes they, and staff, have to make decisions that are unpopular in the short term, but which ultimately benefit the widest group of members.

To that end, we're working with SHP to build a completely new online jobs website that will allow members to do all the things you expect from a dedicated jobs site, plus there'll be greater targeting and functionality for employers.

If you or any other forum users would like to express further concerns, may I ask that you email me directly and I’ll respond to you personally as quickly as possible.

This thread has now been locked.

Angela Wheatcroft, web manager