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#1 Posted : 09 October 2006 19:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
Hi All,
I currently work as a Health and safety trainer for a logistics company. For the past 2-3 months I have been looking to move into offshore safety with very little success mainly due to not having any offshore experience. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

Malcolm Macdonald

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#2 Posted : 10 October 2006 09:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Most wont even consider you unless you have atleast already conducted your offshore survival and have a offshore medical certificate
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#3 Posted : 10 October 2006 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Descarte is right.

I'd book your medical and survival certs asap.

Feel free to email me your CV and I'll see if I have anything suitable.

Cheers,

JM
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#4 Posted : 10 October 2006 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie
I realise such emergency type courses could be seen as a very prudent investment, however I would have thought they would only underpin a particular experience profile.

Other than experience in the Oil/gas industry, how can those in the safety industry improve their chances of entering this (percieved) lucrative arena?

Richie
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#5 Posted : 10 October 2006 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
You have mail Richie!
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#6 Posted : 10 October 2006 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie
JM82,

Many thanks.

Richie.
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#7 Posted : 10 October 2006 14:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
Hi JM,
i am having the some problem as Descartes and Malcolm.The only difference is that i am in Nigeria.
Can anyone be of help to assist me in making a career in the offshore safety.
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#8 Posted : 10 October 2006 14:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Hello Ovadje Ufuoma Loner,

I'll send you an email.

Regards,

JM
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#9 Posted : 10 October 2006 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank
Hi JM82

You have mail

Regards

Frank
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#10 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
Hi All,

I completed my Offshore Survival and medical 3 months ago, i have also just been through the Greenhand course at RGIT Montrose. Im trying to take a different route into offshore safety by applying for Greenhand roustabout jobs to gain experience....also having little luck in that area.
Malcolm MacDonald
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#11 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
Yes Frank, my email address is ovadje_ufuoma@yahoo.com
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#12 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
I am happy for you Malcolm MacDonald .Can you send me you email address?
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#13 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
Hi Ovadje Ufuoma Loner,

malcolmmac@mail.com
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#14 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
It would be very hard to get a job straight away in offshore with no previous offshore experience, the best chance at getting experience in an offshore environment would be to apply and get a job doing an onshore job with offshore responsibilities with occasional offshore work required.

In Aberdeen and the north there is a big requirement for people on these sorts of positions working either for oil, engineering, chemical, subsea, construction, or many other associated and offshore related companies.

If you like I could give you a list of perspective companies which would be a wise choice to look at being employed for this sort of opportunity.

Also I would recommend visiting oilcareers.com and registering with them or any similar recruitment agency specialising in this type of work.

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#15 Posted : 10 October 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Like me!?!?!?
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#16 Posted : 10 October 2006 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
Descarte,
A list of the companies would be a great help. i have also been looking out for junior or trainee positions but they seem to be like gold dust. Im 25 years old do you thing my age could be an issue in this industry..
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#17 Posted : 10 October 2006 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By David McGuire
Hi You should check out www.oilcareers.com. Bril website for jobs in the oil and gas sector, I got all my jobs via this website and I started with no experiance in oil and gas. Also in the right place at the right time may play a part.
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#18 Posted : 10 October 2006 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
Thanks for the tip on oilcareers, i've heard some stories regarding oil and gas sites which you need to pay fees top get you a job.
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#19 Posted : 10 October 2006 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
I AM THINKING YOU ALL!
DESCARTE, CAN YOU PROVED MY WITH THE LIST OF PERPECTIVE COMPANIES.
I ALSO WANT TO CHECK THE OILCAREERE SITE
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#20 Posted : 10 October 2006 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Malcolm - No good site should charge a lot! I think oilcareers is about £20 one off, and I agree, it's one of the best.

Feel free to send me your CV and if/when a junior position comes up I'll give you a call. Your age shouldn't be an issue at all... especially due to the new age discrimination law!!

Cheers,

JM
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#21 Posted : 10 October 2006 18:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
JM,
HOPE YOU HAVE MY CV WITH WITH YOU.ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE APPRECIATED.
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#22 Posted : 11 October 2006 10:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Tweed
Hi Jm

I currently work in the security industry and trying to get into the petrochem/oil/gas offshore industry. I have been advised to obtain some HSE qualifications, namely NEBOSH/IOSH (Managing Safely). What else could you recommend to me Sir?

Thanks

Rob
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#23 Posted : 11 October 2006 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
How is everyone doing today?
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#24 Posted : 11 October 2006 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Smaller companies (good place to start)

Nexen
Clariant
Asco
Champion
Nalco
Schlumberger
synthite
Petrofac
Univar
Wood group
Amec
Aker Kavernar
Deloitte
Chevron
Baker Hughes
Halliburton

Major companies (good place to aim)

Conoco
Total
Shell
BP

Not a comprehensive list, more just off the top of my head so apologies for misspellings
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#25 Posted : 11 October 2006 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
Thank you
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#26 Posted : 11 October 2006 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee
I saw there were a number of questions posted so hopefully this info may help and to enhance what Descarte was saying:

Other companies you could try are third parties who sub-contract work out such as Petrofac and ODL.

The younger you are the better, the currently average age of the offshore workforce is in the high 40s/early 50s.

With regards to safety positions offshore, a number of them will require you to have a engineering/technical background (the request for an engineering degree is quite common)

www.oilcareers.com is free and you can get daily job alerts and QHSE jobs do come up daily not just for Aberdeen but for overseas as well.

For those looking to break into the industry NEBOSH General Certificate is a minimum.

HSE System development is a big thing at the moment with several companies I am involved with going through it. They always tender this kind of work out to the types of companies i mentioned above.

Hopefully this is of help - depends what part of HSE you want to get into. If you want to contact me offline feel free.

Dee
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#27 Posted : 11 October 2006 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
The UK Sector oil and gas industry is split into companies which operate in a number of discrete but overlapping areas.

First of all there are the oil companies, who tend to be referred to as “operators” as they operate the N Sea fields. These are divided into 2 main groups, the majors (Shell, BP Exxon) and the independents, (Venture, Lundin). A recent innovation has been the arrival of many Canadian firms in the UK (CNR, Petro-Canada) who have expanded by buying over older oil fields as the majors began to find these too costly to operate. All these firms recruit directly but nowadays generally in small numbers and often concentrating on graduates in core disciplines such as geology and geophysics. Quite often the only personnel they employ offshore will be the OIM and the most senior supervisors. They make up their numbers both onshore and offshore with contract personnel, either hired through agencies or supplied by their main contractors who do most of the work offshore.

In addition to direct recruitment operators sometimes “convert” a contract position to staff if they see it as critical and it would cause a problem if the individual moves on suddenly. About 20 years a go there was a great advantage in working for an operator but since then pay, conditions and perk differentials between operators and others have been substantially eroded.

Secondly there are the main contractors (Amec, Wood Group, PSN). Sometimes these companies also operate the oil field on behalf of the oil company and are the duty holder under the Safety Case Regulations. More usually they supply the bulk of the operations and maintenance personnel on production platforms. These companies have large onshore support organisations and frequently recruit on a widespread basis. Check their websites and the Aberdeen Press and Journal on a Friday for details (oh dear is that advertising – will I get this posting pulled?). Such companies have large safety groups and will often employ the Offshore Safety Adviser on a platform.

Drilling contractors form another group of companies. These provide personnel to operate platform mounted drilling rigs and the mobile offshore drilling units (“rigs”) that drill exploration and development wells. There are a number of companies in this category and they also recruit regularly. Some MODUs have offshore safety advisers but most safety personnel will be shore based visiting the rigs on a regular basis.

There is a growing subsea industry led by companies such as Technip, Subsea 7 and Acergy, the latter currently building a new 400 + person HQ on the outskirts of Aberdeen. These companies specialise in underwater pipeline construction and the tying in of satellite oilfields to existing platforms. Like the main contractors they also recruit regularly and have large onshore based support organisations.

There are a large number of smaller contractors, specialising in a particular niche, catering, cranes or drilling equipment for instance (Sparrows, Expro). These rarely have safety personnel based offshore but need safety people as part of their onshore support. These companies often bundle health and safety, environmental and quality functions into one group.

Finally (I hope) there are the consultancies (DNV, Genesis). As their designation suggests these companies provide specialist technical services eg Safety Cases, Environmental Statements. These companies tend to employ experienced, technically qualified personnel. You are unlikely to get in without a degree and/or previous relevant experience.

A couple of additional words of advice. First the N Sea now only forms a small part of the activities of oil related work in the UK sector. Many companies, particularly the large main and subsea contractors now support projects worldwide. You could be based in Aberdeen but working on a project which is offshore W Africa (with engineering drawings done in China or India). Offshore jobs in the N Sea probably only constitute about 20% of the total workforce so don’t restrict yourself to this sector alone.

Secondly a large proportion of the workforce now works under contract rather than as employees. The pros and cons of this have been discussed on these forums previously. If you start off working for a main contractor as an employee after a while they may suggest or even encourage you to convert to contract status.

Apologies to any companies which I haven’t named – I am only trying to give examples in each sector.
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#28 Posted : 11 October 2006 14:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
hello Dee and Allen,i do appreciate your contributions
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#29 Posted : 11 October 2006 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard McLellan
Most entry level jobs as offshore safety advisor will go to experienced offshore technicians / workers who have shown interest, aptitude and commitment to safety. Someone coming from onshore will find it difficult unless they are already an HSE professional in a similar industry. We are essentially petrochemical plants with added isolation and bad weather. Logistics experience will just not impress an employer - our risks are very different indeed, and you will have little credibility with the workforce.
One possible route if you are a trainer is to contact companies providing HSE training to offshore. A quick internet search will find Evolve, On Site, ASET, Nutec, Petrofac, NSL etc etc. If you are experienced in the safety training the offshore industry needs, perhaps you will get an chance there. Many companies send trainers offshore, so if you are expert and qualified in COSHH, Manual Handling, FLT ( yes we do have fork lifts offshore), rigging & lifting, abrasive wheels, work at height or some other core need you may find work.
Best of luck
Richard
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#30 Posted : 11 October 2006 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By William
I think it is probably not the best time of year to consider this move as it is the end of the shutdown season is more or less over. (shutdown= when rigs shutdown for their annual maintenance) I have been offshore steady for over a year now and i have still not managed to secure a health and safety position ( although i only have a NVQ3 and no experience). You would need your BOSIET (basic offshore survival induction and emergency training) and medical before a company would touch you. If you were interested in working abroad then i would try oilandgasjobsearch.com, oilcareers.com has some vacancies but the other website has literally hundreds, also try the thisisnorthscotland.co.uk website, this is the website for the press and journal which is a local Aberdeen paper which advertises most jobs for the offshore industry.
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#31 Posted : 11 October 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By OVADJE UFUOMA LONER
Hello William,
what does it take to get BOSIET
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#32 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
William,
Thanks for the info, what have you been working as offshore. I've completed my greenhand training, trying to get my foot in the door as a roustabout and then start applying for safety positions.
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#33 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm MacDonald
The BOSIET Training will cost around 600 sterling depeding on the provider.(RGIT Montrose etc, The course will last around 3days covering a variety of different subjects including vomiting from being flipped upside down in a helicopter under water. "very enjoyable"
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#34 Posted : 12 October 2006 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By William
I have done a few different things offshore, started off as a industrial cleaner using HP/UHP water jetting (cleaning tanks of LSA, lovely), the worked as a roustabout (deck crew on drilling rigs, moping up puddles in pouring rain, try to avoid this) and more recently as a rigger which was better pay. The best time to get a start varies, if you are willing to go offshore over xmas and new year then you could get your first trip then as most people do not want to work then. Then on the shutdown and maintenance side of things it is between april and october that most work is.
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#35 Posted : 12 October 2006 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kelvin George
Hi Malcolm

Try

www.worldwideworker.com

They are free to join and if you spend time setting up an online CV then they willl send you jobs that suite your abilities. Also employers do visit and occasionally you will be contacted directly.

Or

Send this guy your CV. His name is Robert Lane, he runs an agency that seems to specialise in Safety Advisors etc


Robert H. Lane, BA, FGSManaging Director/Principal ConsultantVISION PROJECT SERVICES (UK) LTD.Bournemouth, Dorset, U.K.Tel: +44 (0) 1202-399181
Fax: +44 (0) 1202-392048Web: www.seismicman.co.uke-m: enquiries@seismicman.co.uk
rlane@seismicman.co.uk

Other agencies you could try are :-

Omega Resources Ltd
7 Murray Place 83 Princes Street
Stirling Edinburgh
FK8 1DQ EH2 2ER

Tel: +44 (0) 1786 447666
Tel: +44 (0)131 247 6825
Fax: +44 (0) 1786 464635
Fax: +44 (0)131 247 6710
www.omega-resources.net


www.ukps.co.uk

www.rigzone.com - Employers also scan this site and can contact you directly

Well if I think of anymore I'll let you know. From my own experience I found that Oil companies are keener to recruit people from within with ZERO qualifications and train them up than take a fully qualified Safety Officer and have a fresh pair of eyes scrutinise the operation. However in these times things may have changed

All the Best with your search

Cheers Kelvin
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#36 Posted : 12 October 2006 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Another pretty good agency is www.sanatio.co.uk
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#37 Posted : 12 October 2006 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kelvin George
Malcolm

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