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#1 Posted : 26 October 2006 09:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
My current employer has announced that it will be moving all production overseas during 2007. So after 27 (mainly) enjoyable years I will be looking for new employmment.

I am an engineer and have always been involved with H&S. About 5 years ago I took over responsibility for all HSE management on the site and have been doing this almost full time since then (I still find a little time to do some engineering work).

I don't yet know when I will be available (the plan is to cease production by mid 2007) but I'd like to find out what sort of opportunities there will be when the end comes.

I'm 50 years old, CMIOSH and competent in Noise Assessment, LEV examination, Manual Handling Assessment & Training, DSE Assessment. I also have experience of applying for and maintaining management systems for ISO14001 and OHSAS18001.

In the time between now and closure I intend to explore all possibilities - including permanent or temporary contracts and self-employment.

Can anybody out there offer me some advice / encouragement, or better still a job?

Thanks,

Martin.
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#2 Posted : 26 October 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By The Expert
That's a tough nut to crack. I would suggest agencies at your age. No one is likely to take you on permanently even with the new employment law.
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#3 Posted : 26 October 2006 09:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS
Martin


Can you make your email address visible and I certainly would employ mature candidates. I think The Expert is mistaken.
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#4 Posted : 26 October 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan
Dear me! Too old at 50? Not likely to get a job even with the new discrimination laws? Harsh words to say the least! Martin I can't help you with a job offer mate but I would think that with 27 years experience you won't have much trouble once you start applying. I find some of the replies on this board staggering at times, too old at 50? I really do think that there are sections of our profession out there that think the only people worth employing are university graduates with lots of nice certificates and aged 20s - 30, the rest of us are only fit for the knackers yard!!!!
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#5 Posted : 26 October 2006 10:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
Thanks AHS and MetalMan. I hope you 're correct and I can prove The Expert is wrong.

AHS my e-mail address should now be visible.

Martin.
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#6 Posted : 26 October 2006 10:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark limon
I think the expert is right.
I put a posting on here 2 days ago about part time work or free charitable work.
I have a lot of experience in H/S on a practical level but never in a designated role .
I put my age on the posting(47) and even the agencies seem to be giving me a wide berth never mind anyone else .
I am intending to fund myself through the diploma next year.It was to have been this year but daughter announced she is getting married,still that should keep me busy(and skint)





















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#7 Posted : 26 October 2006 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister
Martin, after 27 years in the same employment I suspect you are very apprehensive about venturing out!

Come on in - the water's lovely!

Given you experience I know most of the agencies who recruit via SHP will be clamouring for your details and tha there are plenty of opportunities for temp work, even if a permanent post is not immediately on offer.

Be bold, be brave, pocket any redundancy package and never regretfully look back.

Good luck.
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#8 Posted : 26 October 2006 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Hello Martin,

Where are you based?

Kind Regards,

JM
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#9 Posted : 26 October 2006 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay
I agree with The Expert. Age seems to be a problem with H&S. Guess it is because old uns can't climb ladders, and young ones don't realise we are not supposed to use them!
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#10 Posted : 26 October 2006 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
JM

I'm based in South Yorkshire.

Regards,

Martin.
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#11 Posted : 01 December 2006 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Webster
Hi Martin

I am currently recruiting for a Compliance (SHEQ)Coordinator for a contract we have with the MoD in Iraq

It is based on an 18 moth contract

If you are interested please forward me your CV for consideration

If not good luck with your search

Kind Regards

Mark Webster
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#12 Posted : 01 December 2006 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Rubbish!

Age is no problem - good god! you have at least another 15 years to go. Young uns will not stay that long and most don't have the experience nor gravitas (is that the word?) to sell H&S.

Martin, I was in a similar situation at the age of 49, took time but now have best job I've ever had.

I did have the luxury of taking 2 years to find it however.
I reckon I applied for about 300 jobs (don't expect many replies!) and about 20 calls for interviews that resulted in 3 offers (turned 2 down). So it can be very dispiriting.




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#13 Posted : 01 December 2006 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Hi folks

I would be happy to speak to you regarding potential work in the new year.

emial me!

Regards

Linda
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#14 Posted : 01 December 2006 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mart
Given your experience, qualifications and yes age, i should think you'll be snapped up fairly quickly by an employer. Relax and good luck.
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#15 Posted : 04 December 2006 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Age is only a number -

Age brings you a huge wealth of practical experience, and with your engineering background will also bring cost effective solutions to any client who wants a potential answer to lifting, manual handling and engineering problems that manifest through H&S issues in many work places.

At 52, I may not quote Regs ad verbatim, but have a through understanding of what to do to put problems right, and most directors want the solution given to them, not a Reg number !

There's plenty of life left in THIS old dog, and you can give me two years !!

Or - let them handle a raw graduate who has never talked to put his point across to the senior manager / director, through the intermediate levels right down to the office cat ,and everyone in between.

There's plenty of industrial language to get through to get a point across - not a need to spout Regs that have been learnt parrot fashion to pass an exam.

In my humble opinion, it's getting your safety message through to ALL ranks of workers and managers that will help you to succeed, not the sharp suit, clean briefcase, and loads of stats and graphs.

Best of luck, sir, get out there, let all of the applications float through until the RIGHT one comes along.

I had almost 300 applications while waiting for the good job to come along, but gained lots of experience by agency work to further my knowledge in many areas while being paid and waiting for my opportunity !

You will be wanted by the right discerning employer, never fear !
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#16 Posted : 04 December 2006 19:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville
Why does anyone feel the need to give their age away, no matter how old they are?

Application forms for jobs should no longer have the question on them about your age. If they do, leave it blank.

CV's have on them what you wish others to know about you. An advert for yourself. You only need to place approx. 15 years of your job experience on them at most. Do not incriminate yourself by placing education dates on there, or such like.

There are few reasons why a prospective employer should know your age and with the current Law, even less.

Take ownership of the information that you put out and be economical on issues where you may be positively discriminated against.
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#17 Posted : 04 December 2006 22:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Wilson
Hi Martin - I utilise free-lance health and safety professionals on a regular basis. Most of the people I use are older than myself (I m in my 40's). Experience is no substitute for a piece of paper - and I find that the experienced professional also acts as a mentor to myself. I occasionally have work in your area. I am unsure how to contact you directly - but seriously consider the idea of going solo.....I did 14 years ago. I would never go back to working directly for a company again. Its hardwork - but it is well worth the effort. Concentrate your expertise in the LEV and Manual Handling. If you are also able to develop a strong knowledge base of HAVs and all over body vibration - then you are almost guaranteed work as specialist are few and fa between when it comes to measuring vibration. Never let your age put you off. Some of the guys who work for me have retired but do the occasional days work for me just to keep their "hand in". Regards. Karen

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#18 Posted : 04 December 2006 22:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Martin, I took redundancy at about 50, I was a site manager and FICE, CEng etc and had been in and around safety for a good while. I took a MSc in H&S management to keep myself under pressure. I started my own H&S company and now lecture on the same MSc course as well as being in a well placed advisory post at BSC and on several committees etc associated with IOSH as well as running my own consultancy. I easily earn as much as when I had a proper job and I decide when I work and when I take the dog for a walk. If you are good at engineering you can be good at anything. Treat yourself as a business asset not as a CV and sell yourself professionally - take time to find the right market place and then go for it. If you want to line the agencies pockets then OK, if not then steer your own boat by your own star.
Incidentally I am not hiring currently
R
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#19 Posted : 04 December 2006 23:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
Thanks to everyone for the (mainly) encouraging responses.

Since the announcement was made I've had time to think about all my options. I haven't ruled anything out but I'm seriously considering going self-employed. Everyone I have spoken to has said there is plenty of work out there.

As I may have a job until the middle of 2007 I am in the fortunate position of having time to put a plan together and get advice from as many people as possible.

Any advice contributors to the forum can offer on setting up as a self employed h&s professional will be most welcome.

Martin.
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#20 Posted : 08 December 2006 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wayne
Martin,

I am looking for people to work in Dubai, if interested please send me a copy of your cv to harrissafety@hotmail.com

Wayne
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#21 Posted : 08 December 2006 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82
Wayne - I have people for Dubai if you want to get in contact.

Cheers
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#22 Posted : 02 January 2007 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cheryl Frost
Sorry, think your e-mail address isn't working could you please contact me (Cheryl Frost) on 01455 850000 as I have a vacancy that you may be interested in.
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