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#1 Posted : 04 December 2006 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan
Hi all,

I have reached the point where I am seriously considering going it alone and consulting full time.I am aware of the plus and minus side of this and have a fair idea of what it takes. What I am after is a bit of personal info from anyone that has taken the plunge and turned their life around, how did you do it? what steps did you take? etc.I especially want to hear from anyone who accomplished this in a rural area as well.

Much appreciated
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#2 Posted : 06 December 2006 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
I am currently "self employed" (actually I am a Limited Company employing one person - me!) It is much more complicated than I thought eg Tax, Employers Liability Insurance, Professional Indemnity etc. I have engaged an accountant to sort out tax etc although you can do it yourself. I think that you are better becoming a "sole trader".

Check your local Business link for free advice......
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#3 Posted : 06 December 2006 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
In my area the local business link run two courses

A one day course where they try and put you off by telling you about all the pitfalls (from memory it was free) and

a three day course (for those who were not put off) where you get lots of useful advice.(about £70).

It is hard work but 6 years on I don't think I would go back to being employed by someone else.
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#4 Posted : 07 December 2006 08:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
I echo what Martyn has said. I've been freelance for nearly eight years and wouldn't go back to being an employee. Giving up the security of the regular pay cheque was a big step for me but being in complete control is so liberating.

Don't try and do everything yourself. In particular, a good accountant is worth paying for and you may want to use a bookkeeper to keep your accounts straight as it can be a bit of a chore.

Paul
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#5 Posted : 07 December 2006 12:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan
Thanks for the replies,I have had the pleasure of discussing this over the phone with several of you as well so again thank you. There is certainly a lot to think about. I have to say my biggest concern is ensuring I am financially secure enough to cut the "apron strings" of my regular job, I will continue to carry out a bit of part time work in the meantime. Must admit, can't wait to be free from the drudge and office politics.
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#6 Posted : 07 December 2006 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Gabriel
I went self employed three years ago and also found it incredibly liberating. I have had years of feast and famine - that's how it goes. Just a few pointers:
- make sure that you have a skill that you can really sell because believe you me there are the £100 a day guys out there who SMEs often go for unless you can show you can do the job and they find you credible
- Make sure your CV reflects how good you are and the amount of experience you have - which guarantees a good daily rate
- dont be too choosy at the start - reputation is the best thing and recommendation
- joint the Federation of Small businesses - they recommend free banking with the Co-op - a real plus, legal helpline and loads more for about £100 a year
- ensure you have sufficient professional indemnity insurance - its expensive but in the type of climate we live in its essential - again the FSB recommends
- before you jump test the market - call up all your old contacts - see what they can put your way - but forget cold calling - its hideous and not worth the effort!!!
Finally dont expect to be ordering a Ferrari!!! Question hard what you want - is it freedom? (but be real the freedom is not really there as no-one like to turn down work!!!) Is it a large salary - again be real!!! Or is it the satisfaction of knowing you have done a good job and you will get paid for it!!!

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#7 Posted : 07 December 2006 14:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes
What about retainers and such like? I have people talking about these in the past how do they work?

Also, what price would you normally put on the provision of existing documents (eg H&S Policy) but for a new customer?

Silly questions I know, sorry its a numpty Thursday!!
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#8 Posted : 07 December 2006 15:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By 9-Ship
Consultancy retainers usually work as follows

Any company has to appoint one or more competent persons to advise about h&s matters.

This is the role you take on, where for an agreed monthly fee, you allow the company/client to use your name.

Your part is to provide on going services such as answering telephone queries regarding h&s issues, incident/accident investigation (hopefully most months this will involve no work.

Obviously what you provide needs to be spelled out exactly in your consultancy contract.

As regards fee - how much can you get away with?, are you likely to get much 'trouble from the client? i.e. lots of phone calls, how far might you have to travel at short notice? the risk level of the industry? etc etc

Does the work involve written work or just verbal/email advice, how much/depth of research might you have to do? If you specialise in a particular industry sector, your research might be alot less. If you cover lots of industries then you might have to find out about lots of processes/industries etc.

I have seen retainer fees anything from £200 per month to £2000 month.

It all depends...
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#9 Posted : 07 December 2006 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Gabriel
This sort of work is ok if you can ensure the support. If you are a one man band it is that much more difficult - for example what if your client who is paying you a retainer has an accident and needs your attendance on site, but you are committed to a training course? Who is your loyalty with? The one who pays you every month or a one off training day?

From my own experience it is not the best service for the self employed. Far better to charge by the day - as and when unless the customer insists. Again it might sound like money for old rope but it has to be thought out carefully.
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#10 Posted : 07 December 2006 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Hi

I would just reiterate all of the above. You need to be good at selling and consultancy skills, as well as being totally motivated and thriving on a bit of risk.

There are plenty of consultancies who do an average compliance job for low fees. Unless there is a larger untapped market were you live, you have to be prepared to travel and show that you are different to the rest of the crowd.

Much of it comes down to how much cash you have to last until you can start to earn and what your existing costs/debts are. In practice it can take months/years to break even and then grow and don't expect anyone to turn up and give you work. For all the money I have spent on marketing I have found that 99% of business has come from referral.

I don't want to sound negative but you need total commitment, a bit of luck and the right contacts.

Good luck

Ian
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#11 Posted : 07 December 2006 21:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ryan Ramjit
Metalman,

I applaud your ambition and can identify with how you feel. Thus far you have received some excellent advise on what to do and what not do.

In my past life as HSE manager at a multinational oil and gas company I used a number of consultants or one man shows for various projects.

From the perspective of the client, we are looking for HSE professionals who go the extra mile, are competent at what they do and can deliver results on time and within cost. Even after you have demonstrated those three you have to develop a style that leaves the client feeling like he received great service. Relationship management is the key mate.

Good luck and stay the course. It takes time to build a reputation and a relationship. There are no short cuts. When you get dismayed and despondant find imaginative ways to get back on track. When business is booming make sure and record your successes. They might help you in the slow periods.





Let us know how you get on....

Ryan
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#12 Posted : 08 December 2006 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By MetalMan
Once again thanks for all the replies.The main impression I get from most of the replies is that a consultancy is a viable option and that you can make a living out of it, but, you have to put in the work, and it is no guarantee of a lifestyle of the rich and famous! To be honest if I could make the money I'm on now I would be happy. It's the freedom of choice I'm after, to make my own choices about what and where I work. I have missed so many parents evenings at school, been unable to give my kids lifts to clubs etc, and hate having to cram a weeks worth of catching up into Saturday and Sunday all the time.I just think it would be nice to have the flexibility to be able to take some time out to do these things.
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#13 Posted : 08 December 2006 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Ivan
just make sure you invest in sales and marketing as well as word-of-mouth, you don't want to spend too much time on that golf course...i'm happy to offer you some pointers for free if you wish, contact via above email
regards
Chris
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