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#1 Posted : 21 December 2006 17:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher
Hi All

There has been a lot of excellent advice and guidance on job interviews recently. The number one question is 'why did you leave your last job? All find and dandy if you parted to do a degree, but what about if you parted due to bullying and left because the organisation wouldn't accept your word that it took place. What would you say then to the same question/
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#2 Posted : 21 December 2006 20:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
You left for career development reasons.

Regards Adrian Watson
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#3 Posted : 22 December 2006 08:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham
Normally full honesty.

On this one if you are fully honest the interviewer will automatically hold you partially to blame.

Q Why did you leave you last job?

A I work very hard to be successful at all aspects of my job. I am keen to develop my career. Working for you fits both well. I'll work hard for you.
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#4 Posted : 22 December 2006 09:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK CMIOSH
Honesty is not the best policy in this instance.

Say "I am looking for a new challenge which working for your company would provide."
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#5 Posted : 22 December 2006 09:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Watson
I agree you can spin this how you like as already posted, all of these are OK, HOWEVER do you know what your references is going to look like? If there is going to be any hint of you did not perform, obey instruction etc etc
now is the time to be finding out.

Regards and a Merry Christmas

John
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#6 Posted : 22 December 2006 09:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Never ever slag off a previous employer.
You can easily do this without lying, not telling the whole truth is not a lie.

If you need to comment on previous jobs, think of something (that is true) that was good about previous jobs.

As others have said, you want to develop & stretch yourself.
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#7 Posted : 22 December 2006 11:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Do employers still give that kind of reference ? Usually just a statement of length of employ and duties. An opinion on "quality" could be legally actionable. Either by the ex-employee or by a future, disappointed employer.

On bullying ? Weasel. Never admit to having been bullied and don't criticise a past employer, nor their employees.

Mind you, "their practices are a bit old fashioned and I am hoping to work with a more modern company, such as yours" might respond to your personal reasons for being honest.

Merv
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#8 Posted : 22 December 2006 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Watson
Merv

I agree and would like to think you are right. I would still ask to see what my ref looked
like though. Forewarned is forearmed!

Regards

John
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#9 Posted : 28 December 2006 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Mahoney
Christopher,
I'm assuming that it was you that decided to leave your last job,because their culture did not match your standards and expectations. If the interviewer asks you to expand, explain that it was a personal matter and that you would prefer not to discuss it. If the interviewer pushes too hard for an answer then they may not be the right organisation for you anyhow.

If it was me interviewing you I certainly would not want to go into too much intimate detail, however, you may need to prepare yourself to explain, what are your standards and expectations! I would certainly respect your right to a degree of privacy even in an interview.

Be confident and good luck,
Paul.
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#10 Posted : 28 December 2006 22:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48
My understanding of the term "bullying" is that it is "repeated oppression, psychological or physical, of a less powerful person by a more powerful person".
As the previous employer did not accept that bullying took place; the description in the post is a personal one that says the person "felt bullied". Although they may well have been the victim of bullying in reality; it was neither proven nor accepted. Therefore it is only an allegation or personal perception. To mention as "bullying" in an interview is to be perceived as "winging" or "carrying a chip".
(If the bullying had been proven and accepted then it should be mentioned as the reason.)
However, a really honest personal assessment of why this person left is the first step; to do anything else will result in failure without any doubt. (Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive?)
This assessment may help identify certain business cultures or areas that may not suit this individual. It may also give a clear picture of what the response to the question should be in truth.
It might AS AN EXAMPLE be:"I could not find any way forward with a very difficult working relationship with a senior colleague." "After months of trying to resolve the matter to mutual advantage including seeking guidance from other senior staff, I recognised the difficulties this was causing both me and the company and so I have decided (in agreement with my employers?) to move on and seek a fresh start elsewhere."
OR just simply say "I came to realise that the culture was too aggressive for me".
Just because something doesn't work out as we hoped, it doesn't follow that someone is to blame or has failed, it is human nature. Just make sure that any lessons learned are clear and focused.
So go for no lies-white or otherwise, no flannel which most decent interviewers see straight through anyway, no deception to keep up, no hidden agendas.
Best chance of continuing success. Honest!
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#11 Posted : 09 January 2007 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher
I have submitted my CV to an organisation that I would like to work for. They are very keen and have asked me to formally apply for a post. However, it is part of their policy to insist on a reference from the last employer. I have taken on board all your advice, and if interviewed, will let you know how the organisation dealt with my honesty (Pete 48 advice particularly good.
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#12 Posted : 17 January 2007 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher
having been advised to apply for a post formally, and that the organisation was interested. I was politely honest about my reasons for leaving. The result was that this post has been readvertised. I was not considered for the post.

The message that this gives out to any health and safety professional who chooses to raise their head above the parapet is that they might find that they have to find a different career direction. Perhaps when there are serious issues of safety being compromised, the Health and Safety Advisor should be questioned in the dock as to what actions they took on matters they knew were unsafe.
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#13 Posted : 17 January 2007 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
Hi Christopher,

sorry to hear you didn't get the post.

However, I would phone them and ask why (the HR poeple here say that's a ocmmon course of action).

Then you would know for sure the reasons (if they are also as honest as yourself).

It's difficult when you are out of work about how truthful or tactful you need to be but I always go by how I feel. If you are true to yourself and your integrity then, although it may take some time, you will get the right job for you. Obviously there are financial implications as well, so good luck

Lilian
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#14 Posted : 17 January 2007 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier
My understanding is you have a legal right to find out why you were not offered the job. That should include interviewers' notes and any other documents that show how the decision was made.
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#15 Posted : 17 January 2007 13:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sam Wade
Christopher

Are you good at your job? Are you confident in your own mind that you can go into another company and do a decent job for them?

If I were you, and the answer was yes, I would think up the best reason I could for why I left my last job without another one to go to.

I would then go for as many interviews as I could and I would use that reason when asked. When I got a job I would work my socks off and they would be quite happy with me.

I would never mention bullying again to anyone, and I would put my previous job down to experience - learn from it, what would I do different in future?

Remember that you have a right to see any references supplied. If they were stupid enough to supply a negative reference which prevented me getting a job I would right a letter, with a copy of the reference enclosed, threatening to sue the bottom off them if they ever did it again - I would then continue with the job search.

I also worked for a Managing Director who was a bully. I did wait till I got another job though before leaving.

At job interviews, my reason for leaving was very positive. The reference given by my bullying employer amounted only to the fact that I had worked there between certain dates - remember that bullies are cowards at the end of the day and they won't want to risk any comeback on them, its not in their interest to give bad references.

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#16 Posted : 17 January 2007 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
I've jsut remembered why I left my last job.

I said it was that I thought I had done all I could and that it was time for new ideas from new poeple.
I wasn't being bullied but was getting a bit annoyed with internal politics - different scenario but a good reason to use as it could be used in your case.

Lilian
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#17 Posted : 17 January 2007 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By MAK
Christopher,

I sympathise with you in regards to the bullying and agree with the earlier post that its difficult to justify. There are many forms of bullying some distinctly overt and some not so. All are extremely unpleasant and distressing to the target.

Isnt it interesting how the person who is bullied can become stigmied as youve found, those who have experienced this and dare to speak out are viewed as troublemakers or not team players. when the bullies tend to get a free rein to go on to their next targets?
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My advice from one has been in the same position is that you have 4 choices:

1. drop out of any possible opportunities when it emerges that the company has the same policy.

2. if company has same policy go to a sympathetic colleague from the previous company who is in a position to be a referee. (I have had to do this as a previous employer, or should I say the key management level that had to be approached.. had the policy if you leave, you aint getting a reference)

3. Go to an earlier employer if possible.

4. Try a diplomatic approach, i.e a bit of the truth, but phrased in terms such as offered in the previous postings.


Good Luck and keep us posted.
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#18 Posted : 21 January 2007 09:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laura Burden
Hi Christopher

I am sorry to hear about your predicament. It really is unfortunate that as an OHS professional the very thing that we are there to improve can get us too.

I once worked for an organisation that to say the least had a very old fashioned culture where as a senior manager in a company of over 9000 employees you could get away with murder. Morale was very low in the company and as the only OHS professional for 4,500 employees I heard some of it.

Bullying is rife in some companies and unfortunately it will take more than a few OHS people to improve it - especially if they haven't had the displeasure of encountering it before. My experience is that it seems to be learnt behaviour passed through from the top down or possibly people of this nature are drawn to certain organisations and industries. The best thing I did is learn from my experience and be picky when choosing my next position.

I would recommend that you find a manager that can sing your praises and I would definitely put a positive spin on your leaving. Remember to talk to someone close about how you feel and what happened if you haven't already.

Good luck,
Laura.
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