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Posted By jason preston
Has anyone had any recent dealings with this organisation, concerning the NEBOSH level 6 diploma, and can you tell me if they see the qualification as equivalent to a degree?
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Posted By Phil H
Jason
I have looked at job prospects in OZ within H+S and searched various websites including AIS.
As far as I cn see Nebosh diploma is not recognised and degree level is the requirement in Australia,however this is under review.
Try the QA page at AIS
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Posted By jason preston
Which diploma are you talking about. Dip 1, 2 or the new diploma level 6.
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Posted By LauraR
Hi Jason,
I had a positive assessment with VETASSESS as a Health and Safety Officer however I hold an MSc in Safety Health and Environmental Management in addition to the Diploma.
Have you considered going a Post Graduate Certificate or MSc in order to become eligible?
I was lucky doing my MSc in that I was exempt from doing the H&S units due to holding the Diploma - which meant that I could qualify quicker.
Although not recognised by the skills assessing bodies NEBOSH qualifications are highly regarded in industry in Australia - they do not have similar qualifications.
I didn't realise at the time I sent off my application but you can also get a 60 point occupation as a Human Resources Manager specialising in Occupational Safety and Health if you have management experience - luckily I didn't need the additional points.
This occupation is assessed by the Australian Institute for Management - again though it would appear that you need a bachelor degree or higher.
If you are serious about going it might be worth waiting the extra year or two and doing a university qualification. Or alternatively if you are in a serious relationship can you go as a spouse / de facto partner against your partners skills.
Sorry for the long winded response.
Good luck!
Laura
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Posted By jason preston
Thanks for the feedback Laura.
Has anyone out there applied with a level 6 yet?
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Posted By jason preston
Anyone got any news on this yet?
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Posted By Ken Mudd
I too would be interested in a career in Australia. I currently have NEBOSH Dip 1 and if I stay in the UK will be looking to further this qualification via NVQ or Diploma route.
But if there additional course I can do take to make me a better candidate for entry into Australia I will look to do it.
Can anyone advise on this, courses I can take to top up now fa possible move in 2 years or so???
Thanks
Ken
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Posted By jason preston
Guess what I am still waiting so this could be good news for all Diplomates? As soon as the dreaded envelope arrives I shall let everybody know.
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Posted By Dyson1967
Hi Jason,
Seems both our applications are in at the same time with VETASSESS, mine went in on 6th July and I'm still waiting. I got an email back from them saying its not in the 'standard' education profile so it will take a while longer to determine if its equivalent to a Advance Diploma.
Thing is I'm already working as a OHS Advisor for a company in Brisbane and they are willing to sponsor me on for permanent residency if the assessment is positive, however they also said not to worry if they are negative as in 2 years time they can sponsor me for PR regardless of qualifications.
I could never get anyone to take me serious when in the UK about working in Australia, all the agencies never rang back etc etc so we come over on a student visa in January this year and then I looked for work with a view to gaining a 4 year temp visa.
I had 2 months off, began looking for work in earnest about March, hod 4 interviews, was offered 3 jobs and took the one with the company most likely to get me PR.
My experience in OHS was far more important to the companies who offered me work than my qualifications so IF you can get into Australia then its not that diffcult to get employed in the OHS field providing you have experience.
If I get my envelope before you then I'll post on here, fingers crossed we both get a positive huh?
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Posted By Robert Alvin
Hi Jason I am a Safety Manager in Australia. I have not heard of Vetassess most companies here are now going towards a degree in Safety. However saying that there is a hugh demand in Australia for Safety professionals. I am moving to the UK for work in Feb 08 hoping to find work their. I have just completed my Masters in Safety hope this helps me find work in the UK. If you have any questions about Australia let me know
Regards
Rob Alvin
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Posted By Mark R. Devlin
Hi there,
I was Vetassed last year on my Bachelors Degree which is nothing to do with HSE. They tend to look at general education levels as opposed to those related to your chosen career.
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Posted By Des Cannon
Hi Jason,
I too am moving to Australia and have the NEBOSH level 6. Have you had your assessment back yet and do you think that the CMIOSH thing will mean anything to them
Des
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Posted By jason preston
Hi,
No I am still waiting. This really has become a bit of a joke now to be honest. What have they been doing for the last 4 months?
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Posted By Paul Harrison Hi All, Will be interested to hear what vetassess say when they eventually get back to you. I found that my PgDip in OHS mgt wasn't good enough!! Had to be an MSc! But that was 3 years ago. I did get an offer of state sponsorship by WA government on the basis of my OHS credentials and this may be an option as the points system is much less stringent. May be worth checking out www.immi.gov.au and searching for regional sponsorship opportunities. cheers and good luck. Paul PS wish I had accepted but wife decided she wanted divorce - ho hum!!
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Posted By Des Cannon
Thanks Jason
I will wait with baited breath. I am not suprised at the time scale. I am joining the Australian Army (easy way in) as a vehicle engineer and that assessment took about 8 months!!. I have been accepted and am moving out next October. I have got to do 4 years and then I am going to go back into the safety world. I hear that once you are over there then things are different getting a job. I think the problem lies with trying to use the Dip 6 as a sole entry criteria.
If you get a positive response then I will send mine away for approval. Sorry for treating you like a guinea pig!!! nothing personal.
Look forward to the good news, fingers crossed.
Des Cannon CMIOSH
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Posted By Des Cannon
Hello all,
For anyone interested in OH&S in Australia I have been searching around looking at OSH sites out there. I spoke to the Safety Institue of Australia (SIA) and explained my qualifications and professional status with IOSH to them. They got back to me yesterday with an offer of Chartered Professional Membership of the SIA(CPMSIA) based on my CMIOSH status.
I have sent an e-mail to the International specialist group at IOSH to try and establish whether this organisation is in fact the "IOSH" in Australia. I must admit I cant find anything else that seems to beat them.
It sounds quite promising for safety practitioners at any grade.
Anybody moving out there with an interest in a career in this field then I would recommend a chat with these folks.
Regards
Des
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Posted By Dyson1967
Just in case anyone was wondering.....yes you can become a member of the SIA but it will have no influence on the outcome of a skills assessment by Vetassess. They only consider qualifications not membership status.
Steve
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Posted By jason preston
I have finally heard this morning that my assessment is nearing completion and I will know in the next week.
Here's hoping for a good response.
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Posted By Dyson1967
Fingers crossed Jason I've heard nothing yet! What have you had the skills assessed against? 50 point Health & Safety Officer or 40 point Safety Inspector?
Steve
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Posted By jason preston
It was against a 50 point Health and safety officer job
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Posted By Des Cannon
Fingers crossed Jason,
I am flying out on October the 6th 2008 so if I get there before you I will get some inside info about employment and let you know.
Keep us all posted, I think a few people will be waiting to see if the New Diploma fits the bill.
Best of luck
Des
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Posted By Dyson1967
Well looks like Vetassess are clearing the back-log, I got my assessment back today and its.............negative. Seems the NEBOSH Level 6 Diploma is not equivalent to the Australian Advance Diploma in OHS for an ENS assessment.
Thats the trouble with Vetassess they only look at your qualificaitons and not experience. This means that you could have a degree in origami and no H&S experience/qualifications but would still get a positive assessment for a H&S role.
Such is life, good job I wasnt depending on it
Steve
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Posted By jason preston
Well what a surprise!
This organisation really have lost the plot in my opinion. If I had applied with a french degree it would be OK!
Absolute disgrace.
What are the options now then?
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Posted By Mike Cosman
Hi Jason and others.
New Zealand does not have quite the same problems if you are looking to come down under.
We are now offering the NEBOSH International General Certificate Course for the first time in NZ and are working with the New Zealand Qualifications Authority to try and get them to formally recognise it on their framework.
The New Zealand Institute of Safety Management has also endorsed the NEBOSH course as part of their professional accreditation process.
There is a real shortage of good h&s people with the ability to work as trainers, consultants or for individual companies. The pay may not be as good as Australia but NZ does have other advantages.
Mike Cosman CMIOSH
Impac
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Posted By Brigham
Mike
Your post is very interesting but as I was informed, there is little chance of anyone 50 or over getting into NZ. This was evident when my wife, a nurse and I, a Group Safety Manager and CMIOSH looked into emigrating last year without any success whatsoever.
I accept that age has a big part to play in immigration, but in a profession where experience is regarded as key and most safety practitioners I know got into safety as a second career, it appears your policy on immigration is too inflexible to attract the more "experienced" people
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Posted By Mike Cosman
Sadly age (52+) is a factor in immigration policy-even though there is no mandatory retirement age in NZ. OHS is not really big enough, or sufficiently well recognised to feature on the occupational priority list so the best way if you dont qualify under the skilled migrant category is to come over on a visit or make contact with possible employers and then try and get a job offer which will help under the work to residence programme.
Sadly employers such as us have had a few bad experiences paying for people to emigrate and then losing them after a short period. Hence dont be surprised if any prospective employer offering to contribute to relocation will want a bond.
Feel free to contact me separately if you want to discuss further.
Mike
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Posted By Dave Skinner
Hi
I work in oz as a safety consultant. Safety is different over here if you want to convert quals you need to submit them to teh oversea quilaification department for a small fee they will convert your qual. A NEBOSH (credit) is in broad terms a OHS Dip in oz. However unless you work for a english ran company you will be hard pressed to get a job as it is not recognised over here however you can RPL towards a Oz qualification which you will need. Any help?
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Posted By Des Cannon
David,
Nice to hear from someone working in the field out there. I am coming out to Oz next October for a stint in the oz army. I am CMIOSH at present with the level 6 diploma and have just joined the Safety Institute of Australia as a Chartered Professional member (CPMSIA).
What do you think I need to do when I get there to get myself in a good position for employment when I leave the army??
I really dont mind re training because I have got 4 years to prepare before I will need a job. I am moving to Brisbane and would really like to stay in that area. I have recently been doing a fair amount of work with Bovis Lend lease in the south west who, I'm sure you are aware, are a Australian company.
I would appreciate any CPD advice you could give based on your knowledge of the inside.
Des cannon CMIOSH
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Posted By Dave Skinner
Hi
Oz employers are very hard to please in that if you come in at a high qual they disregard you. They do like practical experience with their legislation. If you are interested in coming out here (which is the best place in the world)you will have to get an oz qual I would suggest cert 4, Dip or Adv Dip. The minimum requirement in oz is cert 4 (safety practitioner) you will go through that very quickly so I would suggest OHS Dip or OHS Adv Dip which again would prove no problems for you at your current qual stage. There are loads of training providers but i would suggest a TAFE (college) if you want I could get you some details but it wouldn't be to next year.
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Posted By Ian Cook
Would Vetassess accept membership of CIOB (Chartered Institute of Builders) or is it purely based on academic qualifications?
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Posted By SB
Hi
I start work in Sydney early January 2008. I have CMIOSH, FIIRSM, RMaPS and over 10yrs experience in the field.
The final face-to-face interview was alot about practical experience and ideas around how to maintain the emphasis on safe working practices on the ground. Working in construction (pipelines)i certainly have to do that!!
Regards, Steve
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Posted By Des Cannon
Dave/Steve,
Many thanks for you advice.
As I said I am doing 4 years in the Army in Brisbane before I launch myself into the safety field out there. I will do as I am doing at the moment in the Royal Marines which is getting heavily involved in OH&S in all aspects of training and engineering. What credibility does the Safety Institute of Australia have?? is it as respected as IOSH is in the UK??
I have yet to pay my dues for the CPMSIA membership they have offered me, do you think it would help to belong to this organisation??
Once again any information would be greatly received. I certainly haven't got a problem with re-training to keep the locals happy but I would like to convert what I already have if it will help me.
Regards
Des
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Posted By Dave Skinner
Hi
No IOSH is more highly regarded than SIA employers dont see much value in this membership but as a safety proffesional however they do offer a lot. You should start to gen up on teh Act and regs becareful because each state has there own.....! I know its mad but hey they are looking for national acts and regs.
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Posted By jason preston
It is official the application got a negative........... Not to worry my wife is just completing her Chemistry degree and having no health and safety knowledge herself, I can get her to apply instead.
Think this just about sums it up, scandelous, ridiculous and really stupid.
However at least she will get a positive!!
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Posted By Dave Skinner
Hi Jason
How interested are you in coming over because there are lots of different ways to skin a cat!!!!!
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Posted By jason preston
Hi Dave,
Have sent you a personal email.
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Posted By Des Cannon
Dave,
Many thanks for all the advice. I get over in October and will spend my first 12 months or so trying to get my head round my new career in the army. Once I know what I am doing I will start to concentrate on preparing to leave and get into the safety profession again.
Looking forward to it already.
Des
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