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Posted By 9-Ship
Since the clamp down on job adverts etc last year, I think this whole forum has really gone down hill.
I rarely visit the forum now and take part in discussion etc.
Job adverts etc was the main reason for visiting
What do others think?
Lights blue touch papers and quickly walks away...
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Posted By Edward Blanchard
I agree with this view.
There are many IOSH members undertaking and/or seeking work on a freelance basis and willing to take on assignments at short notice. This forum was an ideal platform and obviously this aspect of the service cannot be replaced by advertising in the SHP or elsewhere.
There were some parties who abused the service, in particular recruiters that did not wish to incure advertising costs. This appears to have been the moderators' justification in withdrawing that aspect of the service.
I placed a thread on 12th August "Contract Work NW England". The last response was posted on 18th September. It has the moderator's usual explanation that details cannot be displayed. Since that response was principally for me, I asked the moderator for details. The reply was that details had been deleted. I now wonder whether that is an infringement of my Human Rights? Any views will be appreciated please.
Despite this there were some positive responses. A few consultants contacted me with the promise of future subcontract work. I also had 2 interviews in connection with short term contracts.
As I have already said there are certain parties that will abuse any facility. One of the interviews was arranged by a "consultant" who appears to be recruiting for clients. I was not successful and the consultant's explanation was very spurious.
I look forward to reading other members' views.
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Hi
I agree with the last response. As a consultant this was a really helpful forum for making new contacts, discussing opportunities and searching for potential associates and employees. I personally don't think it affects or dilutes the recruitment approaches through SHP and their site.
I have been running my business now for eighteen months and would really like to find a very special person to support me. The costs of recruitment (either advertising or using an agency) can really impact cash flow. If IOSH would consider it I would be happy to pay a small fee to use a more open forum to share opportunities and locate the right resource when the time is right. Even just to ask if anyone knows someone who fits the bill.
Even if you do advertise and/or use an agency, this forum just adds another possibility that you will find the right person. Unfortunately I can't use it for this purpose now. The quoting of guidelines response from IOSH doesn't really answer the question.
All the best
Ian
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Posted By sarah myatt
Hi,
I am relatively new to the discussion forums and have been a victim of the IOSH moderator myself and I am in total agreement with you.
All the best,
Sarah.
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Posted By GDavidson
I also agree.
Had it not been for this forum I would not have found my first job in H&S last year.
Thanks MAK......
Yes, there was the issue of recruitment consultancies abusing the service, but there was a huge percentage of genuine job offers from all industries.
I too tend not to look at this careers section too often - but prior to the change in the rules, you had to check it at least 2 or 3 times a day otherwise the threads jumped to page 2......
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Posted By Richie
9-ship,
You have hit the nail right on the head.
I used to log-on far more than I do now, principally onto the careers forum. Whilst logged on I would have a quick look for other interesting topics.
I now log-on far less.
Richie
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Posted By MAK
No Probs GDavidson, you were a good find.
You are one of those who prove it is very worthwhile giving people who have earned the qualifications, the opportunities to gain the experience.
Perhaps this concept could catch on?
M
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Posted By DP
The section has lost its appeal no doubt. I have recruited twice from the forum and got my previous position in my current company from here also.
Be interesting to see if the Institutes revenue has increased since the removal of job adverts.
I'd guess at not much. When I speak with other Practitioner's it tends to be the agency's we discuss regarding jobs and not the SHP like the old days.
I think the facility should be reintroduced.
DP.
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
Dear Contributors,
The Moderators were concerned to hear from contributors to this thread that 'details had been deleted' so have undertaken an investigation.
Some users of the forum have misunderstood the messages they have been receiving, and I can confirm that the messages had not been deleted, only hidden or transferred elsewhere.
First, it is IOSH policy that advertising is not permitted on these forums. It is the job of the Moderators to ensure that breaches of this policy, and of others, are dealt with in as timely a manner as possible.
A job-seeker, by making his or her e-mail visible, enables someone with a possible vacancy to contact them directly.
The messages that appear on the forum after moderation has taken place, and the responses to your mailboxes if you have checked the 'notification' box are generated automatically.
Moderators do not delete messages; they only hide them or move them. This includes the series of messages that were tidied away from this forum about a week ago. They were removed or 'deleted' from their original thread, but copies were retained elsewhere to preserve the audit trail.
The Moderators are ordinary members of IOSH, who volunteer to do this job in their spare time. They are the means by which the Acceptable Use Guidelines are upheld, and they are supported by a web team at IOSH.
Regards
Jane Blunt
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Posted By SAF
I totally agree with my fellow professional colleagues on this one.
The Careers forum has lot much of its appeal especially for me (independent Associate/Contract). A week is a very long time in the game, no publication can move that swiftly.
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Posted By garyh
I find that the statement "The content of this message cannot be displayed at this time" is usually untrue (to put it politely).
What the moderator means is that they are NOT WILLING to display it, not that it cannot be.
Let's have some honesty, insted of hiding behind platitudes.
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Posted By ITK
Agreed Gary.
The message should be changed to:
"This post has been removed due to breach of AUG's"
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Posted By Alison Roberts
Hi,
Why not have a job seeker section, where people CAN advertise!? You could charge people a small fee to advertise thier jobs and job seekers can browse through. Or even keep it free?
Defeats the object of having a 'career's forum' when you are not allowed to look for a new career...
I am talking as a Recruiter - but I would like to add that I have NEVER taken advantage of the forum to advertise, I use it purely to keep up to date with the market.
Happy Job Hunting ;-)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Everyone who is available or seeking job / contract opportunities can put this on the careers forum.
That way prospective employers / agencies etc can contact you if they feel you are suitable etc.
What prospective employers cannot do is advertise their jobs so don't see what the issue is as you can still advertise yourself.
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Posted By AHS
The issue is that small Associate contracts can never be catered for by the SHP.
It was fair enough to prevent recruitment agencies from advertising or even companies offering full time positions.
The forum has suffered as a consequence.
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