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#1 Posted : 30 October 2007 23:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen johnson Hi Everyone, Being a new member of IOSH, I thought I would draw on the vast amount of experience out there. I am due to leave the Forces shortly and would like to work in the Construction Industry as a HSQE Advisor/Consultant or even a Project Manager. However, I seem to be hitting a wall with regards to experience. I keep getting the chicken and egg syndrome!! I need experience but how am I going to get experience in the industry if no one gives me the opportunity? I have done a myriad of roles within the Forces and for the last 3 years I have had a role with a H & S background. I have registered with a number of agencies and the feeling I get is that I have the right boxes ticked on my CV, however my lack of experience in the industry is my shortfall. I currently hold a NEBOSH General Certificate and I am due to take the NEBOSH Construction Certificate in December. I also hold the CIEH Professional Trainers Certificate. I live in the north east (Darlington for my sins!) and would prefer to work in this area, however I would not rule out another part of the country if the package was attractive enough. I do have a CV that I can email on request. I would appreciate thoughts and advice or even the offer of a job from the fellow members out there. Thank you for taking the time to read this thread. Taffbo
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#2 Posted : 31 October 2007 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 This is an issue that has been discussed before - and one of the key points was how you have expressed your skills in your CV. Rightly or wrongly if you have kept referring to military terms people will not transfer this to their working environment. You need to look at what the core competencies were that you used and then write your CV accordingly.
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#3 Posted : 31 October 2007 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney Hi Stephen, When I worked in Local Authorities we often had folks about to leave the forces come for work experience. I'm not sure how they were 'referred' to us. One guy was a brother of one of the road workers but the rest we were aske dif they could shadow us. I don't know if the forces have some scheme for this? Sorry, not in your area and in different employment now. Lilian
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#4 Posted : 31 October 2007 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jimmy R Hi, When I left the forces I agreed to work with a prospective employer as part of my terminal leave (free of charge). This gave me valuable experience and the chance for the prospective employer to check me out before signing me up. As luck would have it everything worked out well and I've now been with the company 3 years.
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#5 Posted : 31 October 2007 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dougie When I left the forces I was in a very similar position. What is your forces background ? If you e-mail me I may be able to give you a bit of a steer.
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#6 Posted : 31 October 2007 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Exdeeps You may need to make a plan. Look at your already diverse skill set and use it to get a job based on that in the approximate career area that you are aiming for. Then, once you have a foot in the door start to pester people for work in the area you really want to get in to. In other words take two small steps rather than a running jump into a new career - it worked for me. Also, as previously remarked, use a service to civilian interpretor and try to use business speak not military TLA's (Three Letter Acronyms!)when writing your CV. One other thing to think about. Don't start applying for jobs too early, most employers will not wait six months from interview to take you on, they are looking for immediate to one month start. I know a guy who became very disheartened that he was not getting interviews or even replies but he was applying with a year to go! Good luck, Jim
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#7 Posted : 31 October 2007 18:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie Stephen I can give you a name and number of someone who will give you a start because of your background and qualifications. People on this forum will give you loads of help but be proud of being ex military as it means you can get up early, you dont mind mud, and you can understand bull----.I would E Mail you but I have some kind of server problem. Good luck Alex
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#8 Posted : 31 October 2007 21:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen johnson Dougie I have tried to retrieve your email from this forum but to no avail. My military career is as follows: I trained as a Military Policeman and spent 22 years in that role. Throughout my career I held various positions including investigator, Training Co-ordinator, IT Systems Administrator and Transport Operations Manager. Unfortunately I gained no experience in the construction field whilst serving. Hope this gives you a better idea of my profile. Regards Steve
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#9 Posted : 31 October 2007 21:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen johnson TO EVERYONE WHO HAS ADDED TO MY THREAD SO FAR Thank you all, I have gained so worthy experience from your comments. Regards Steve
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#10 Posted : 05 November 2007 13:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1 Stephen, If you are willing to carry out a peripatetic construction role predominatly in the South East I can put you onto a good source. I am an ex sapper and got a start with this company which gave me an excellent grounding and ample opportunities to gain plenty of experience and contacts.
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#11 Posted : 05 November 2007 21:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Stones Stphen, Drop me a copy of your CV. andrew.stones@aohltd.co.uk Andy.
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#12 Posted : 06 November 2007 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ralphmbe Hi Stephen I am ex-forces myself, one of the best things you can do is contact a local company and asked to work along side there HSE man to gain experience in work.(for Free no wages) if you can get your unit to let you go in your last 6 months. this is what i did and now i am working out in Libya in a oil exploration company in the desert. Ralph Yardley
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#13 Posted : 07 November 2007 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Sheldon Send me your CV we are based in York and maybe able to help you. email: robsheldoncsr@btinternet.com
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#14 Posted : 07 November 2007 22:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Kelly Hi Stephen. Like many of the people offering advice, I'm ex-Forces myself, and I agree with all of the responses. I found it extremely difficult to find a niche when I left. Please contact me at nedkelly673@hotmail.com with a phone number, and I'd love to chat to you and try to steer you as best I can. I have a couple of personal contacts and websites which I can put you in touch with.
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#15 Posted : 18 November 2007 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Davelfc Stephen, Send me a copy of your CV and I will pass it on to two of my good freinds in the North East. Though as one of the posts pointed out its Ok networking at this time and researching when you have an availability date and you are close to it then doors will open I am sure. Over to Billy, Billy are you in the South East? I am working down there myself, doing the weekly commute from the North West maybe we can meet up Dave Hudson. Stepehn all the best with your job search Dave
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#16 Posted : 20 November 2007 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen johnson EVERYONE Thank you all for your help. I hope that I have replied to all those who required a reply. If not, please do not feel that I am being ignorant, I have probably overlooked the reason to reply. If you feel that I need to reply to you, then send another response and I will answer. I am so glad I used this forum and appreciate all those concerned that have read or responded to my thread. Although I am still without work!!!!! Regards Steve
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#17 Posted : 27 November 2007 09:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ Ex squaddie here again. My tips and they have worked for me. Taking the HSE out the equation, are you forwarding a CV that will get you an interview. Your dealing with civies and they read different, get yours checked out to see that it is geared to getting an interview. Is does not pay to tell pork pie's, but on the other hand do not volenter information that does not enhance your chances of getting a job interview. Apply for jobs you don't want and try to get an interview. This allows you to practise your interview tech in a live situation which is all part of that PPPPPP Garry
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#18 Posted : 27 November 2007 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liesel Stephen, if you e-mail me I will pass on the address of a contact of mine. I sent him a link to your posts and he asked me to pass on his e-mail address to you (he is not a forum member). He runs a H&S consultancy based in the NE and he also has a military background so will understand you experience in context. Liesel.
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#19 Posted : 07 December 2007 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny 22 years as a military policeman and you want a job in construction safety? What exactly are you going to put in your CV that will make anyone from the industry look up and take an interest?
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#20 Posted : 07 December 2007 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By rbb I have sent you an email direct.
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#21 Posted : 07 December 2007 22:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen johnson Manny In answer to your questions: Firstly, although I was a Military Policeman, I also held other positions within my time in the Army. My last job was Transport Operations Manager and I was responsible for the H & S of a workshop, so I have some experience there. Secondly, I am actually shadowing 2 companies at the moment to gain and extend my knowledge in the construction industry. One is quite a large Civil Engineering firm and the other is a H & S Consultancy. I have also taken the NEBOSH Construction Certificate and will hopefully gain a pass! I also hold the title of Tech IOSH. So hopefully these factors will appeal to a future employer. I also possess a lot of transferable skills that would be beneficial to any employer and I also feel that (1) I have the ability to do the job and (2) I am still young enough to commence a second career. I don't understand where you are coming from with your questions? My reason for posting a thread on this site is it was recommended to me by a friend to do so. I must say in the majority of responses I have received I have been given positive feedback and encouraging advice to help me achieve my goal. I hope this has alleviated your concerns about my predicament? Regards Taffbo
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#22 Posted : 13 December 2007 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1 A bit personal there Manny. Try winding your neck in. The guy is looking for help and support, not some pillock questioning his eligibilty to work in construction. It's hardly rocket science
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#23 Posted : 13 December 2007 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson The Military is a GREAT place to get and hone very useful tranferrable skills. Everyone in the Military has managerial and man management experience and a can do / will do attitude, If only employers knew? feel a bit of a cold and a we sniffle coming on, phone in sick you don't get that with ex forces!
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