Posted By Dav You have mail.

Posted By Garry Adams F.A.O. Mike As you have a wealth of experience of the work ethic in the UAE...I am interested to know if U.K. Health ans Safety Culture is practiced or has the UAE already got H&S legislation in place. Best regards, Garry...

Posted By Dav It depends what part of Dubai you work. There are enforcing authorities for various different parts. EHS are the regualtory body for Dubai World for example. http://www.ehss.ae/ They have a set of regulations mostly based on UK standards.

Posted By Garry Adams Dav Thanks for the web link...I am an Associate in a Consultancy Firm in Aberdeen. We are looking to open an Office in Dubai, using this as a base we could assess the States of the UAE States,Oil and Gas Community and Construction with particlar interest in Qatar, I am currently researching the H&S Ledgislation in that part of the World...is there any further reading that you could recommend ?. Regards, Garry...

Posted By malc saunders Philip, Sorry mate but i suggest that other participants to your question brush up on their legislation here in Dubai...OSHA SMOSHA!!In Dubai itself we are governed by the Code of Construction Practice made under local order 61/1991. This is suppored by technical guidelines issued by the Environmental and Protection Safety Section of the Dubai Municipality (EPSS) The Code of Construction practice is based on the old 61 and 66 regs from the UK, i.e., lifting operations, working places etc. They are apparently updating this piece of legislation to take into account such beauties as risk assessment, CDM etc. I have never quoted OSHA since 1999 when i first came here. I have introduced a safety management system in my organisation where it is followed in Morocco, Libya, Egypt, India, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi and Dubai. This is based on HASWA 74, the 6 pack and all subsequent legislation introduced in the UK ever since...Seems to do us ok...

Posted By Jay Joshi There is no need to set up yet another set of "Global H&S standards acceptable to all Nations" when there is a framework under the ILO Conventions and Recommendations. Refer to ILO Standards on Safety and Health:- http://www.ilo.org/publi...on/safework/standard.htm This lack of knowledge of the International Framework for Occupational Health and Safety in a significant proportion of Occupational Health and Safety Practitioners should be worrying in an increasingly globalised society we live and work in. The way forward surely must be that when global trade is being encouraged via various global, regional and bilateral agreements, there must a defined timeframe when the developing and the emerging countries at a nanional level were made to conform to the minimum standards required by ILO conventions and recommedations. The first step must be for the developed nations to ratify all the ILO conventions--only then you can expect the others to follow. Developed nations do have mature and effective national occupational health and safety systems, but they need to demonstrate by action that thay also take the ILO framework seriously. You can check which countries have ratified each of the conventions. http://www.ilo.org/publi...ction/safework/index.htm

Posted By Andrew Lochlyn Ure Garry "The exporting of and the adopting of U.K. H&S Statutory Legislation and Associated Regulations is coming into play in many regions of the Word" (sic). Where exactly?

Posted By Garry Adams Andrew In 1997 was invited to lay down a blue print for a Training School, the curriculum was to include Construction Training of the indigenous population, for the revamping of the exploration semi-submergable fleet which had been moth balled due to regional unreast, the resumption of exploration and production was deemed politically secure to recommence operations in the Caspian Sea in 1997. Given that the Principal at that time and still operates within the region is a British Petroleum Prime mover...I was advised that all H.S.Q.E. considerations would have to be incorporated in all Training Programme's I believe that Azerbaijan still embraces the U.K. Safety Culture. But then again what do I know...perhaps you could enlighten me ?. Furthermore, a word leading Facilitator within the Oil and Gas Industry recently secured key holder contracts within the UAE. This Organisation includes British H&S Legislation i.e. U.K. Offshore Survival Training, Trade Training and Inductions ect, ect...perhaps I some one could enlighten me if I am incorrect ?. Garry...

Posted By Andrew Lochlyn Ure Garry You're right - this thread really should be moved - but in response to your last posting: I think you are probably referring to oil and gas industry standards rather than the wholesale adoption of British H&S legislation by other states. There are certain industry standards which are truly international (HUET/BOSIET, the International Association of Drilling Contractors etc springs to mind) but outside of that all the countries I have worked in have their own legislative framework for OHS (usually termed Labour Protection or similar), the only question being how effectively it is enforced. Major British Oil and Gas Companies (I have two particularly in mind) have HSE Management Systems based in part on British legislation. These are company standards. Not legislation. In both the cases I am thinking of, their company HSE Policies state, unequivocally, that they will comply with the laws of the land in which they work. From my experience, particularly in the Russian Federation which as we all know is rapidly emerging as an energy superpower and the scene of huge investment from western companies, the authorities would take an extremely dim view of someone attempting foist British legislation on them, because it's unheard of, out of context, and the product of a completely different socio-economic model. This I have first-hand experience with while working on a Contractor Development Programme in Russia, where it rapidly became obvious that the company HSE Management System, based on British law and therefore 'goal setting' in it's philosophy was radically out of kilter with the compliance mentality of the business environment, which was used to prescriptive SNiPS and GOSTS (as they are called in Russia). As a consultant, if you produce a product for a client based on irrelevant legislation, you haven't really helped as you haven't produced a deliverable that is fit-for-purpose for their business. My advice to you and your associates is not to look to British legislation as a neat product, or to hope DEFRA can provide a way of penetrating your target markets. Get out there, learn about the countries and their legislative framework and then provide something that adds value.

Posted By Garry Adams Andrew Just googled GOSTS and SNiPS...thanks for taking the time to direct me to the sites. Best regards, Garry... addendum...the attempt to access DEFRA is not a commercial exercise to, the motives is to contribute to Environmental Engineering Loss Prevention Strategies. Thanks again...