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Posted By michael
Hi there,
Has anyone experience of working in house for an architecture firm doing CDM? Do alot of archicture firms employ CDMC's in house?
Does anyone have opinions as to how good a learning experience it might be to be employed in house with an architecture firm doing CDMC. I would imagine that it is the best possible environment for learning as you have to engage fully with team members and not sell them fear as often happens in consultancy work. Aslo a big proportion of your time should be spent in design meetings, doing what CDMC is all about, as in consultancy work a CDMC is appointed after the significant design work is already done, in my experience 70% of the time. On the other hand I fear that such a job could involve the production of tedious and in my opinion un-necessary design risk assessments as the main body of the work?
Any insights/experience/opinion on the possibly nature of such a job would be greatly appreciated. I'm very curious to discover how CDM brief might operate in an environment where I imagine it should work best.
Thanks lots.
Mick,
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Michael,
You have asked a number of questions so I shall base my answers more directly on these.
Q1. Do a lot of archicture firms employ CDMC's in house?
A. No because the majority of architecture practices are not large enough to sustain an in-house CDM-C presence and the CDM-C business is mainly dominated by large QS practices.
Q2. Does anyone have opinions as to how good a learning experience it might be to be employed in house with an architecture firm doing CDM-C.
A. In my experience you do really need extensive construction management knowledge and experience in order to influence the design team and others during critical phases of the project.
Q3. Also a big proportion of your time should be spent in design meetings, doing what CDMC is all about, as in consultancy work a CDMC is appointed after the significant design work is already done, in my experience 70% of the time.
A. In my experience the best CDM-C work is often undertaken outside meetings on a one to one basis. For example we are currently looking at the hazards and risks associated with a swale where there are a number of options. In this case we are looking for the best long-term design option with a possible soft landscaping solution. In my experience I tend to mainly get involved just after the concept stage of the design.
Q. On the other hand I fear that such a job could involve the production of tedious and in my opinion un-necessary design risk assessments as the main body of the work?
A. I leave the design risk assessment process to the designers to the designers to undertake which leaves us with an opportunity examine and explore and comment on the hazards and risks of their design.
Summarising your point, I do feel that the CDM-C being based within a design practice does offer the Client and project team much greater value, however the hard commercial reality is that the CDM-C sale often closed before we even get an opportunity to compete for it.
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Posted By Nick Sutcliffe
I work in an Aarchitectural practice as the in-house CDM-C. we also have a project management team, the standard of learning is pretty high on all sides we all pool our resources to get the done in the best manner.
having 3 members of the project team in the same office is also a great way of generating more business for the other team members and keeping the clients we have. there is no need to go searching through the directories for team members, we can also all vouch for each others competence.
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Posted By CFT
Mick
Arran's response (IMO) is from an absolute expert in his field and you will be hard pushed to get better information. Sorry Arran if I made you blush;-)
CFT
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Posted By willhiem
just chattin to t afriend of mine who has moved from a consultancy firm into an in house role and their opinion is, well they're frustrated as hell, since the job is in house the feel that they're being used a little as an ad on so the client doesnt go somewhere else. They're also pretty miffed at the attitudes in house, her opinions are often ignored and it ends up causing friction with others in house, she said it never bothered her in her previous role because each project was seperate and you werent stuck in the same office. apparently she says her advice isnt taken until the final stages and by then the measures she's asked to be considered havent been addressed at all and she has to hurriedly try and ensure the new, lesser measures are up to scratch. her previous company were a pretty big consultancy and she never had such problems, i dont think she's been credited with the experience she has, ends up feeling a bit useless. I've limited experience in the role as i'm mainly more on sites with another consultancy but i can kind of see her point
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