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#1 Posted : 08 August 2008 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Walker I am a chartered member with 30 years experience in the petrochemical/engineering/ construction/power industries with the last 13 years in HSE. I am currently looking for an HSE position in the middle east and have posted my CV with a couple of agencies. Does anyone have any advice on how to go about getting a career abroad?
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#2 Posted : 09 August 2008 06:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By M.B Hi Steve,I have been out here for a few years and may be able to give you a few contacts. Drop me an e-mail to discuss in more detail. Mike
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#3 Posted : 09 August 2008 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By georgemt I'd suggest job boards, too, not only agencies. Do consider emailing speculative applications to employers, in many cases this works even in the short future.
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#4 Posted : 11 August 2008 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Walker Georgemt & MB thanks for your responses. I have now posted my CV with some agencies and a few companies. MB How do I get your email address?
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#5 Posted : 11 August 2008 21:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By sharon curran Steve would be very grateful if you could pass me on the same information.
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#6 Posted : 12 August 2008 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By M.B Hi Steve, Just log in and click on my name. Mike
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#7 Posted : 26 August 2008 17:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Higgins Steve, is there any chance you could forward any information gleaned relating to agencies/job boards. Many thanks
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#8 Posted : 28 August 2008 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim-F Steve, why dont you send me your Cv the company I work for are lloking for people in Dubai and Abu Dhabi
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#9 Posted : 28 August 2008 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Sutton take it from someone who has just got back from a very brief period over there...and got severly bitten on the backside... Get everything you discuss and any offers dicussed in conversation by phone in Writing...check and double check everything...holidays, pay, role, job title,housing allowance, vehicle provision and the dates they will be provided as the last thing you want is to be "temporarily" stuck in the middle of the desert, sharing with other guys and with no transport to civilisation (there speaks the voice of experience)..raise everything you can think off with the employer and do not be rushed into leaving a good job (as i was) on vague information and hearsay.... And just to warn you (as i wasnt warned till too late) that there are different legal liabilites out there compared to UK, as in if theres a serious accident on site, the safety person will be arrested as a matter of course and say goodbye to your passport for a while... but apart from that the lifestyle is great (apart form the heat in the summer)..mail me if you require further info
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#10 Posted : 01 September 2008 08:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By M.B Pete, Sounds as if you were one of the unlucky ones, because most positions out here are with reputable international companies who tend to look after their people. I would say to anyone thinking of working out here, especially Dubai, go for it. The experience you gain from such a multi-cultural workplace is invaluable and being involved in some of the most challenging and rewarding multi billion dollar projects in the world will give you something to tell the grandkids about. I had been doing safety for nearly 20 years before I came out here, and now after a few years realise this challenge was just what I needed to re-energise my thinking processes and remember what the job I signed up for really should be about. The focus is heavily on HSE out here now, with some good job opportunities for people seeking a challenge. Just make sure you use a reputable agent and you'll be ok. Mike
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#11 Posted : 01 September 2008 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jon Fox 100 M.B Your email address is still not visible when clicking on your name! Regards Jon
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#12 Posted : 02 September 2008 04:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By M.B Sorry Jon, it is now. Mike
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#13 Posted : 02 September 2008 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Just don't think about having fun in public. The culture is very different to UK. Must be true it's on the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7593228.stm Hearsay: it's always the safety managers fault that the accident happened. Jail is a distinct probability and whilst you will probably be let out when your Western employer pays the required fine it will be a very unpleasant few days. Plus the job may end quickly. The upside is a great climate, great wage, great experience. Sounds like a risk assessment is needed! Good luck in your choice.
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#14 Posted : 02 September 2008 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1 David, I have a fair bit of experience working in the Middle East including Saudi Arabia where on one project I worked there was two fatalities. No HSE manager nor any other manager was put in jail nor was it ever suggested. To be fair there has been cases where a westerner has been involved in a RTI resulting in the death of a local and has been remanded in jail until his sponsor contacts the police and certain protocols are carried out which may involve your company having to pay blood money to the relatives of the deceased. As for having fun! Well Ramadan has just started and guess what - Im still having a good time and enjoying the many cultural differences you would expect while working and living in the Middle East. The inflated salary and tax free status also helps.
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#15 Posted : 02 September 2008 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1 Steven, Drop me an e-mail and I will give you further info regarding careers in the Middle East
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#16 Posted : 02 September 2008 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Sutton David...if you read my posting it was in the UAE not saudi. and i can assure you the normal procedure is to arrest the saefty guy and the project/site manager while investigations are carried out, and with the possibility of £30k blood money, there is a distinct possibilty of workers trying to fly without wings to provide a life of luxury for their family..
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#17 Posted : 03 September 2008 08:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tania Emery In the event of a fatal accident on site in UAE, the police have to be called and they will arrest who they think is the responsible persons, that could be the PM, the engineer or the Safety Manager, or whoever is deemed responsible. Here you are considered guilty until proved otherwise!!! I know of 1 Safety manager is still in prison as a result of an accident on site 6 months ago. I know of another Safety Manager who was arrested even though the accident occurred when he was off duty. He was in police custody for 72 hours and then was released but the police kept his passport. He got his passport back only after numerous court appearances and a period of 6 months. This is a common occurrence and fortunately most employers will support their employees and will provide legal representation and the funds.BUT there are some not so loyal employers who will just walk away and wash their hands of the problem. However saying all of this, there are a large number of us in the Safety Industry in UAE who want to make a difference and will continue to take that gamble every time we go on site, because we know we can. It is worth it!!!
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#18 Posted : 04 September 2008 08:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew J I am just agreeing with previous posts - in the UAE - if there is an incident causing serious injury or of course a fatality the police are called to "investigate". This is due to the lack of any other investigation mechanism / body. The current laws call for the police to attend / investigate these sorts of incidents. The police of course are trained in criminal investigation so the first thing they do is arrest somebody "responsible" for the incident. I have meet numerous safety officers / managers who have been arrested and had their passports confiscated until the "crime" is investigated and settled - in one case 2 years (with family at home overseas - not an enjoyed time). And yes, including safety officers who at home in bed at the time of the incident. With safety starting to get a much higher profile here things will probably get better as new legislation is being developed......but it should be a consideration for anybody thinking of accepting a job here - from my experience the "Corporate Safety Manager" is pretty safe - it is the safety person at the site "responsible" for the area that the incident occurs that usually get taken by the police. It is true that "big" companies seem to support their staff - but it would be something I would discuss at interview / negotitation time with a prespective employer. My only other suggestion is ensure that a Safety Management System is in place, even if very basic, clearly stating everybodies roles and responsibilities in relation to safety. Protect yourself as well as the workers and the company!
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#19 Posted : 11 September 2008 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wayne Harris Steven, If you send me your cv I can have a look at it and see if I can help you out here in Dubai. Wayne
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#20 Posted : 12 September 2008 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Jones Dear Sir, I represent a recruitment company working primarily working in the middle East. We have many Oil&Gas clients who are looking for Health & Safety Professionals to oversee shut down, construction works on refinery and pipelines throughout the region. If you feel we can of use to you then please call us: 01443 497160 or send your CV to us directly: info@vivo-international.com Kind regards, Rob Jones
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