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#1 Posted : 20 October 2008 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By rookies Hi Guys My husband wants to make a complete career change from wall and floor tiling into Health and Safety work. He has always been interested in this field but lacked the confidence, until now, to do anything about it. But I look at all your threads for work wanted and wonder to myself; how hard is it to get into Health and Safety with a NEBOSH General Certificate and no experience? Any advice on this would be most appreciated. My husband is about to start the NEBOSH Cert in a couple of weeks time which should only take him one month to complete. p.s. He intends to self-fund the NEBOSH diploma straight afterwards) Thanks!
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#2 Posted : 21 October 2008 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS His lack of confidence may hold him back in such a field. many H&S professions require the person to be rather proactive in their work practices. also don't just presume he will pass the NEBOSH cert, not all do, and if he has no experience he is likely to have little or no knowledge on the subject.
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#3 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel he has extensive experience in his own area and probably construction generally so this is an area/strength to look at as many pass exams without experience in anything but school! Keep working at what he is doing whilst trying to get H&S work and there is always the union route
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#4 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillipe Some advice for your husband... The NEBOSH Gen Cert is a good starting point for the career change. If your husband has not studied for a number of yrs, he will need to be structured and rigid in his study time and put the work in. It is not a cake walk by any stretch, and many people have not passed it first time around. NEBOSH questions are notoriously wide ranging and detailed, so would suggest he prepares for it. I would also suggest that he carries on floor tiling whilst he does the diploma. The construction area may be a good industry for him to look for work longer term, many jobs in that field. Best of luck to him
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#5 Posted : 21 October 2008 21:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Thompson Hi there, I would suggest that he rather than you should be posting this question. He needs to get networking with people in order to seek out the best opportunities. Regards, S
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#6 Posted : 21 October 2008 22:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By berm Tell your hubby good luck. he will need it. He will need to put time aside to study. It took me 2 attempts to pass this course. I have now enrolled on the nebosh fire. If it is something he wants to do he will succeed, but he will need to be patient and put a lot of CV's about before he gets a response. I passed mine in April and it is only now I am getting responses from all the CV's I have sent to different companies. The roots of true achievement lie in the will to become the best that you can become.
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#7 Posted : 21 October 2008 23:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK It will be nigh on impossible to get a H&S job with only the certificate and no experience. I had two friends who passed the certificate with distinction, neither could get an interview due to lack of experience. They have both since pursued alternative careers. ITK.
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#8 Posted : 22 October 2008 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Gutridge I am in a similar situation to your husband. My only advice would be to keep trying. I have set some time aside to do "work experience" within the industries I want to specialise in. Even if it is just one or two days a week to get your face recognised, sooner or later someone will notice your commitment and give you your first chance. Dont expect an all singing all dancing salary for your first job either, with no experience you will be lucky to start on £20,000. I wont say it will be easy, but there are plenty of willing H&S Officers out there who will sit down with you and talk you through what you need to do to get to where they are, (everyone likes talking about themselves). If you are lucky they will take you out on site and show you what they do. At the minute, thats all you can ask for. Hope this helps. James
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#9 Posted : 22 October 2008 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I think that what is needed here is a touch of realism. Turn the question around: would you employ someone eg to be an electrician, with no direct experience and having only just gained what is one of the most basic (ie level 3) qualifications? Very often, people do safety work as part of their job, then obtain formal training via IOSH or NEBOSH routes, before gaining a solely H&S role. Without being harsh, you can't really expect to drop straight into a safety role; I would suggest go for a role in which you can develop your safety experience, gain some transportable skills and achievements, before going into safety "fully". I do hope this helps.
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#10 Posted : 22 October 2008 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By cdthomas Hiya I am struggling to get anywhere as well, so it is hard. I have recently passed the Cert with a credit and have been in warehouses/factories all my life, but now want a career change, I want to work in this field and would suggest that your husband looks as many people have said to the construction industry, it would be silly of him and myself to go into oil refineries etc etc. If anyone else has any ideas tips then please let me know as well. the door is always firmly slammed shut in my face saying no experience-even contemplating setting up on my own and targeting samll businessess. Open to suggestions please cthomas.blue@hotmail.co.uk thanks
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#11 Posted : 22 October 2008 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Forbes It can be difficult getting started. Volunteer to do some 'free' work for companies to get experience and practice. Trade off time for experience, future possible employers will take this as a positive effort to succeed in H&S Andy
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#12 Posted : 22 October 2008 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Lowe I am currently recruiting for a Health and Safety Manager and believe me it is a very competitive market to get into - we have been inundated with CVs. As people have already said the Certificate is not a key into the industry - experience counts for a lot. The Certificate is hard going and the Diploma is even harder and requires a lot of time and effort. I am currenty job seeking myself and it is hard for me even when I am studying for my Masters and with Health and Safety Management experience. He certainly needs to be procative and dedicated. I spend most nights applying for jobs, trawling through websites. I would say that he needs to send his CV out to local companies and ask for some volunteer work or something to get some experience. Recruiters can afford to be picky as there are some many people applying for each job who are already qualified. If your husband is a member of IOSH he needs to get out there and needs to start attending networking events etc. Also again as someone else has just mentioned your husband needs to be doing the work - not you! Good luck with your search if you need any help with CVs etc please let me know and I would be happy to help Kind regards J
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#13 Posted : 22 October 2008 22:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By George Burrage In my opinion you really need a sprinkling of good luck (an opportunity) then you need to be able to demonstrate experience if not directly as a H&S professional then as someone with a level of responsibility such as a first aider safety coordinator. Such previous experience would place you head and shoulders above someone Worth zero past experience. I would add that the job is much more complex than you may first believe. Not wishing to make it seem unachievable, but its certainly not a 9 till 5 job. Most days are 12 -14 hrs for most people in a serious role. Being positive, by all means aim for the NEBOSH Cert. this is still a solid place to start and I know plenty of people working in good jobs with just this and earning a good salary. The Diploma is very hard work as I can testify to, but we all start somewhere. Reading and web surfing can help with appreciation of terminology. I can highly recommend the RCS support books take a look on their web sites these are the best books for support I and many others SP's have had. If you want this job its out there just get yourself in as a good a osition as you can and it will happen as it has for many of us All the best
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#14 Posted : 05 November 2008 20:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By loulla I must confess it is very difficult out there. I have an environmental science degree and the NEBOSH certificate. No work as yet, although most people I speak to are sympathetic and I would like to applaud this. I don't know if doing IOSH courses in various areas help? maybe someone could let me know? The real killer seems to be experience, but having worked around construction, catering and the environment I thought this might help. Oh well.......... back to the Internet Chris
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#15 Posted : 22 December 2008 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Caitlin O'Connell I passed my NEBOSH General Cert earlier this year & have recently started working in an H&S Assistant role. It's a good way to gain experience whilst drawing on the skills & info gained by the General Cert; as well as obtaining further training. It may not be as much money as a H&S Officer but it'll put him on the right track! All the best!
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#16 Posted : 07 January 2009 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By paul sykes I was one of the lucky ones I have NEBOSH general,construction,fire a degree in management, a hnd in electronics,and i have only been unemployed for 7 months I was earning 45K a year as a health and safety officer in a top electronics company with over 20 years experiance I now have a job as a health safety adviser on less than 20K but i am doing a job i enjoy My advice is stick with it there are jobs out there. it is just finding them as the more qualified are now taking lower jobs due to the credit crunch. A few years ago the Cert. would have gotten you any job without experiance but now the market is becoming swamped employers can choose and it is a case of if your face fits and more importantly who you know
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#17 Posted : 07 January 2009 23:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryC40 Hi Many of the previous posts are correct, a NGC with no experience will prove difficult, but hey lets face it nothing is easy these days! Your husband is being proactive and taking the first real steps to a new career, the practical experience he has in his existing trade will stand him in good stead and assist him greatly with passing his exams. I started off as a panel beater and have ended up as a hseq compliance manager with one of the country's top ports, it wasn't a easy route to get here and has only happened because of dogged determination and lots of luck! Take note of this, i got the job with no formal HS qualification (admittedly the role has evolved a great deal) from what it was originally. Over the past 3 years i have had to pass various IOSH courses (recommend working safely (1 day) and managing safely (5 day) before attempting NGC) NGC and now embarking on an MSc in Safety and Risk. I was lucky that my face fitted and i have the gift of the gab. Things tend not to happen overnight in this game, it is a long hard slog and once you get there, there is more to learn! Tell your guy to go for it! It seems like only yesterday that i was working on old bangers in a crappy garage in Glasgow. Finally, the partner of a health and safety person needs to be a very special person themselves! I hope you know what your letting yourself in for! All the very best GC
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#18 Posted : 08 January 2009 03:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By andymak Your husband is probably better of working as a tiler at the moment. I am an experienced but only cert qualified H&S manager (NRSWA Supervisor, and Legionella Technician)looking for a role and it is increasingly difficult to get that elusive job. Employers are bolting more and more requirements into the H&S role which require experience not only of health and safety legislation, but implementing or maintaining management standards (OHSAS18001) or experience of implementing behavioural safety programmes. It isn't just about giving good sound H&S advice anymore. By all means he should undertake the Cert, if nothing else it will give him a good experience and it may open up possibilities once this recession is over if he can find some voluntary H&S work or job shadowing opportunities once qualified.
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#19 Posted : 09 January 2009 11:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By rsellars I passed my nebosh cert 3yrs ago and have been trying to get my foot in the door ever since. I tried to get a foothold with the firm I used to work for but all that got me was the sack under the guise of redundancy. It is very hard to get a start I haven't given up but when I have managed to get an interview I always get the impression that they are always looking for someone who has already held some type of H+S role. Its catch 22 I wouldnt say its mission impossible but it does appear that luck plays a big part getting that first role, right place, right time etc.. I hope your hubby has better luck than me. Bob
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