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Posted By WJH
Come on guys this is ridiculous. You need safety professionals. Crickey what's going on. How can you cut corners? Speculate to accumulate and hire good safety advisors. ITS GOOD FOR BUSINESS!
Honestly, the more I hear about the credit crunch as an excuse........it's ridiculous. Don't you think that investment is the way forward.............are there really still SHORT TERM THINKERS OUT THERE?
Surely this is the time to take advantage of the experience out there, to develope those individuals willing to accept maybe a 'lower wage', 'to ride the storm' with you for the oppertunity to advance and develop together ..........BE A LEADER, NOT A FOLLOWER!
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Posted By John Fraser
WJH
Seems to be the way of the land in the U.K right now. It was difficult to get into H & S normally without the added burden of the credit crunch. It will be tough to get into H & S over this year or early next year if you don't have experience or CMIOSH Status.
John
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Posted By WJH
Hiya
No what I am saying is that even with experience you don't seem to be able to get a look in .............and this is shortsighted for compampanies. They need to get ggo quality folks NOW on their payrol when things are difficult , perhaps cheaper, and the loyaly will stay londger!
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Posted By MH1982
Hi WJH
I must say i couldn't agree more. I have some experience and qualifications but yet find it impossible for someone to give me a chance and prove to them that i can become valuable member of there team. I'm determined to succeed in health and safety and progress to a professional health and safety manager. I just need that employer to give me a break so i can prove to them how much i want this. I'm trying my best to stay positive but its hard. Anybody out there willing to give me the opportunity wont regret it.
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Posted By Suffolkman
Sorry fellas we would all like a job (including me pretty soon!!). But if a businesses volume/ cash flow is reducing by 50% plus ( as many are!!) they will need to cut overhead e.g 'people costs' to survive, and that equals redundancy /layoffs
It is going to be a tough couple of years for everyone and I'm sorry but H&S jobs will not be exempt.
The only solution is to use the time to re-train /up-skill and be flexible about the type of role /location /length of contract etc.. for anyone searching I wish you 100% luck
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Posted By MH1982
Hi
I also understand what you are saying, but even before the whole credit crunch kicked off people were still having the same problems with regards to getting a break in Health and Safety. I thought i had finally got my foot in the door but due to the current climate the company who i was working for have been effected and i have now found myself back in a simlar position as before. I have even offered to work for free to some of the larger contractors to build on my experience but no one seems to have the time to help you progress. I think the point WJH is making is that if a few more of the larger contractors could give some of the new guys a chance it would be of great help they have graduate and trainee schemes for all other trades but not in health and safety. I don't want massive salaries yet because i understand maybe i haven't the years of experience but some, scheme should be set up like you have in lots of other jobs for apprentices or trainees to help people achieve there ambitions and goals and to develop there careers in health and safety. I think there alot of frustrated people out there who are ready to give up due to the lack of opportunities that are provided for newly qualified health and safety advisors.
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Posted By John Fraser
MH1982
You have stated a couple of good points regarding getting h & s work - it wasn't easy when I was looking for my first h & s position ( a hundred going for one job for a h & s consultancy in glasgow )several years ago. All I can suggest is keep trying and if your CV is to a decent standard, emphasising any h & s work experience. As I have said before, if your cv is good enough to get to interview stage, then it is up to yourself to prove that you are good enough, together with the expression if your face fits. I think that is very important too when job hunting.All you can do at interview stage is your best.
At times is down to sheer luck if you can get in and are in the type of market place where work is sustainable for any period of time. That's why if you can get in, get CMIOSH status as quickly as possible as this will be driven by potential employers nowadays in my opinion in your chosen market place perhaps, and will easier ( in theory ) to get further work that is better paid / prospects.
Keep Trying
John
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Posted By MH1982
Hi members
I was wondering if anyone who is in senior position could maybe take a few minutes to look at my c.v and highlight any issues that maybe of problem, or if they think that my c.v is suitable and its just down to the lack of experience. I have sent my c.v to number of recruiters and never seem to get any feedback or opportunities of an interview. If you could either email me direct through this link or post a response it would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks
MH1982
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Posted By Suffolkman
you have mail
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Posted By WilliamTell
MH1982, I do sympathise with your predicament, the problem is that health and safety is now seen as a professional career and like so many other professional careers its extremely hard to break into. Lots of companies, certainly the larger manufacturers and construction companies have graduate and trainee schemes set up with universities therefore hand picking the best candidates/recruits straight after they have graduated. Indeed a lot of the time those graduates have gained work experience with that same company whilst completing their degrees etc. If you think about how many graduates their are and how many vacancies or trainee schemes then you have the answer to your problem, and unfortunately it want get any easier - just keep plugging away and I'm sure the right opportunity will come along.
Good luck
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Posted By John Fraser
William Tell
The larger companies do have graduate schemes for graduates / trainees who want to specicialise in the core activities of these larger businesses in the u. i.e Civil Engineering / Chemistry etc.
However these larger companies don't have trainee schemes for h & s people as they are expected to have experience already in their chosen field. Before I joined my current organisation I had many interviews for the larger construction firms in the UK - Balfour; Carillion; Kier ; MOD and all these firms wanted people with specific Heavy civil experience. It could be worthwhile looking which smaller contractors have been awarded work ( Private or Public Sector )and sending an speculative letter / CV to see if there is a possible h & s post available, if there is it could be a chance to get some much needed experience.
John
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Posted By sezm2105
Hi,
My post (H&S/ QA) has been a victim of this credit crunch due to cut backs in my last company so I sympathise and completely understand where you are coming from...
We all have different skills other than health and safety... I used to pack sausages!!! But despite all this no one wants to know.
I have been relatively lucky I have had a few interviews but with experience with only small companies its that same line.
What makes me laugh with frustration is despite being qualified and ready to pack sausages if required I am being beaten to the post by someone who is still at school!!!!!
HELLO... its not to be like this forever sure its tough on us all but when it gets better then companies that look forward will have the professionals in place even if they transfer from packing!!!!
The only good thing about being redundant is that you can access training schemes and get funding so further developing yourself ready for that forward thinking organisation that WJH and a lot of us out there are looking for!
Good luck to you all.
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Posted By Suffolkman
Sezm 2105
I was pleased today to see there are still a fair number of jobs advertised in SHP magazine
If there is any justice someone with your positive attitude and willingness to re- train should get a break
I posted this Question on the members forum a couple of days ago: -
"I was just wondering what the institute will be doing to help members affected by redundancy/ layoff/ tightening jobs market?
And particularly since one of the best ways to survive a recession is to retrain/ up-skill will there be any 'special offers' on the cost of IOSH CPD courses?"
No responses from IOSH yet!!
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Posted By peter gotch 1
Hi MH,
I do read 100s of CVs each year, as head of technical function within a H&S consultancy unit that employs over 30 staff.
If you want my constructive criticism, please email me at peter.gotch@jacobs.com
Regards, Peter
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