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#1 Posted : 30 January 2009 23:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Hi folks

How many folks on this forum believe that the media etc are exaggerating this situation.

How many people have been affected by this phenomenon??

In my work area - Aberdeen - there is an expansion of job opportunities advertised - yet redundancies advertised in the press are making the headlines.


The price of oil has not risen for months - but petrol prices are rising again?? WHY??

There are opportunities available - we maybe want to spread our nets further??

Good luck to one and all, as the brown stuff hits the fan and companies try to protect their profit margins.

Dave
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#2 Posted : 31 January 2009 07:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Suffolkman
There's no exaggeration about the effect on the automotive industry, main manufacturers volumes are down significantly and they are on short time/ extended closures

Suppliers are badly effected to - made worse by the effect of JIT ( there no slack in the system)

The company I worked for saw a reduction of approx 50% in volume and labour and 2 out of 5 members of HSE team allowed to leave under Voluntary Redundancy terms (me included)

Glad to hear there are is jobs out there though!!....comment i received from a recruiter was " you won't stand much chance of getting a job in the oil industry without relevant offshore experience" ... the usual chicken & egg situation... personally i will ignore it and press on with applications with a view to starting work again as soon as i have finished my current studies

Good luck to everyone else
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#3 Posted : 31 January 2009 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
I think it is probably still to early to be able to evaluate just what the overall picture will be.

For me the picture is patchy. Yes in construction and the automotive industry things are very difficult. On the other hand I have clients in other sectors who have never been busier and whose order books are pretty full for several months.

One could also argue that as companies restructure and reduce their workforce the value to them of each worker increases. Thus ensuring that each worker remains safe, healthy and productive should become more important. For some this might seem idealistic, but I have already experienced this reaction in some clients.

I think the only realistic position at the moment is to say: "Wait and see."

Chris
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#4 Posted : 31 January 2009 11:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
I am a bit fed up with the media constantly talking down the economy. Even before the recession was official all the news was about an impending recession - quite glad when it eventually arrived! As for the IMF et al, all they seem to talk is how badly off we are going to be in the UK - hardly helpful either.

Without doubt certain industries are currently suffering more than others, although I suspect that eventually those in the supply chain will be affected. My industry (railways) is very busy at present. It is often implied that health and safety cut-backs are high on an organisation's list in times of need. I have not seen any evidence of that as yet, but I am keeping an open mind.
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#5 Posted : 31 January 2009 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
I could not agree more with Raymond's sentiments. I feel that in some sense we have talked ourself into a problem that otherwise might not have been so serious.

After all, the problem is the "credit crunch", i.e. that the banks are not lending money. However, banks can only make money by lending money, so sooner or later they will have to start lending or they will go under.

There is a saying: "When the going gets tough, the tough get going." I think that those who come through the difficult months ahead best will be those that have a positive attitude.

However, on a somewhat lighter note I also remember hearing: "The told me to cheer up, things could be worse. I did and they were!"

Chris
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#6 Posted : 31 January 2009 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Totally agree with Raymond and Chris. The media are talking everything down.
The "credit crunch" is definitely the key. Construction and the car industry are badly hit because of the lack of funding and lending from banks. Companies are going to the wall because banks are calling in their loans. The media get hysterical and Joe public keeps his money in his pocket - and the cycle continues.

The media should be putting the pressure on the banks to start money movement instead of spreading doom and gloom.

There had to be a "correction" in the housing market - there is every few years, but the media have been too negative with it.
I feel that the economy would pick up if the message from the media was to come up a notch.
IMO - most companies are doing a bit of reflection and becoming more efficient as the economy slows. My sympathies to any who have been caught in the blast.
Dave
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#7 Posted : 02 February 2009 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Southerner
Its bad in construction at the moment, the company I work for have made 100+ redundant and a substantial pay cut is on the cards.

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#8 Posted : 02 February 2009 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan
It is quiet at present, I work as a health and safety trainer in construction. Having said that I notice some cowboy trainers are giving up, so I seem to be getting busier. But overall it is getting quiet, and many of my clients are now unemployed. Many of these guys/gals were working 3 months ago!!! This will have an knock on effect in small communities etc
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#9 Posted : 02 February 2009 14:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By PMW
I work in construction (subcontactor to several national construction co's) and we are very busy, with orders going into 2010. However we work in a specialist area of industrial construction and I fear it is mainly domestic construction that has seen the decline.

We as a company are being pro-active, Assessing our workforce, training etc. No new training is being booked. Our problem lies in, if a major contractor goes bust - we then dont get paid and we need to minimise the effect, because it will happen. Its just a matter of when and who it will be.

We have been there before and it was an exceptionally difficult time. As H&S advisor I get excellent support from our management, but my role is still seen as an 'overhead', an additional expense that could be trimmed.

PMW
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#10 Posted : 02 February 2009 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
Did anyone else see BBC Midlands Today lunchtime? Sir Digby Jones visiting companies in the West Midlands whose business is doing well.

I noted that these were not "traditional" industries, e.g. automotive, but businesses that had gone out to be special and "niche". One had developed and patented its own process for producing shelving for supermarkets and warehouses that other manufacturers around the world said it was impossible to produce.

This is what my experience is telling. Those clients who have "niche" markets or something that is hi-tech and requires special expertise seem to be doing OK.

Chris
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#11 Posted : 05 February 2009 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinp
Hi Dave

I live up in near Aberdeen and I am looking to move into the offshore oil/gas industry. I have the NEBOSH Gen Cert and I am currently studying for the diploma (exams in July).....any advice would be appreciated!

Martin
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#12 Posted : 05 February 2009 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By HSE_OG
Oil & Gas is still doing ok, from a technical safety angle projects are still going strong and operations have barely been affected. There will be a reduction in contractors' rates and salaries due as there are more Candidates around.

No industry is recession-proof but those which were so buoyant before are in good standing. Thank goodness!!
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#13 Posted : 06 February 2009 18:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Martin - check your E mails

Dave
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#14 Posted : 09 February 2009 09:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By SC
...at the risk of going slightly off topic, Aberdeen and the Oil & Gas Industry has been affected by the current economic situation.

Various operators have suspended all drilling programmes for the next year, and as a result, most of the drilling companies are laying off.
I also know of one operator where there has been a bit of an internal cull.

So, as someone affected by it, it's not all rosey in the Granite city either!

To be fair though, given the profit that some of these companies have made lately, is it just an excuse to cut back a bit....???

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#15 Posted : 09 February 2009 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By I. M. Twining
The media certainly haven't helped the situation with their scaremongering tactics. Companies haven't helped themselves either though. They are constantly trying to increase profit margins in what is essentially a finite market. When they don't meet their predicted targets they annouce a profit warning which has the effect of causing shares to drop thus causing another profit warning. A self perpetuating snowball effect. There are companies who have gone to the wall or very close to it who have been in good profit but not made their targets.

I feel sorry for anyone who has been caught up in the redundancies and hope they find work in the very near future.
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#16 Posted : 10 February 2009 10:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By kaggs
There is certainly a lack of opportunities at present but I think that some of this is certainly to do with the gloom and doom being spread by the national press.

However, what the Credit Crunch (and any other recession) does is give the numpty bosses the chance to offload and 'kichen sink' their operations. It gives them the chance to cover up for previous mistakes that should never have been made in the first place. The better ones are preparing for the future now.

Aside from this though, recessions generally last around 12-15 months on average and businesses will grow from a low base therefore profits will recover quickly.

We also have the added advantage (reported differently in the press) of the weakness in Sterling which will help our struggling manufacturing sector.

What company would want to move their operations to the Far East now as they normally invoice in USD to us in the UK? UK exporters will thrive pretty soon and lead us out of the recession helping our balance of payments.

Time to start talking positively here!!

Cheers
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